What is blameless, really?

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The lazy whipper-snapper routine is nothing new, older generations have been using it on the younger ones since Roman times, as if they were simply born with their knowledge and skill set, or that they where not once in the same position. To me, it points more to general impatience and the deterioration of their memory.
The fact that the lazy whipper-snapper routine is not new does not necessarily mean that it is false. It could be that people have been getting gradually more lazy (on average) since Roman times, but this has been largely hidden by advances in technology so that lazier people can still get more done.

In my generation, people starting a new hobby or interest would expect to spend several years reading, learning and experimenting before they could begin to be creative. Nowadays, too many (but, of course, not all) expect to be able to go from nothing to creating world-class designs within a few months just by asking questions on forums (no reading, no experimenting, no need to acquire knowledge).

As a general example: the time it would take for the more talented here to provide learning topologies and materials to point the misguided toward that aren’t too far above their heads to implement successfully would likely be far less than the time spent in the more curmudgeonly correction I see frequently.
There is plenty of information available already. It is in the archaic form known as 'textbooks'. The problem is that too many people do not seek knowledge; they merely seek solutions, yet they lack the knowledge to even understand the problem for which they seek a solution.

There are exceptions of course. Some people appear on here with meaningful questions and go away enlightened. The biggest problem is all the garbage they read on many other audio sites; they find it hard to believe that much of what they are told as 'truth' elsewhere is actually nonsense.

I still find this thread puzzling. It appears to be a complaint that the world is somehow different from what someone wishes it to be.
 
In my generation, people starting a new hobby or interest would expect to spend several years reading, learning and experimenting before they could begin to be creative. Nowadays, too many (but, of course, not all) expect to be able to go from nothing to creating world-class designs within a few months just by asking questions on forums (no reading, no experimenting, no need to acquire knowledge).
The gardener Diarmuid Gavin did a TV program to teach garden design to a bunch of students. He took them to an overgrown, neglected garden and said, weed that, I'll see you in a couple of weeks. They all baulked at it, said it wasn't why they were there. He said, this is where you begin, they just didn't get it, thought it was beneath them and a waste of time.
 
The recent Open Source LM3886 design here is an excellent example of a collaborative building block design.

It would perhaps be helpful if designs started from this place, rather than from a place of ambiguity.

Yes it's been an interesting project but it's also has been an eye opener for me.

- A project is nothing with good documentation. I've yet to write it down for the lm3886 and it makes more appreciative of lenghty write up such as this one (time is hard to come by these weeks).

- A building block is nothing without the whole. Case in point, wiring makes or breaks an amp just as much (or maybe more) than the pcb and the circuit on it. This overall view might be the hardest thing for a newbie.


I kind of dream of putting together a box that would be conceived to be modular from the start, in which modules could be changed without much risk or hassles. For a simple integrated amp, that would quite easy, basing it on the 400mm deep galaxy 19" with heatsinks.
 
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I blame the parents...oh.. hang on...

"The world is passing through troublous times. The young people of today think of nothing but themselves. They have no reverence for parents or old age. They are impatient of all restraint. They talk as if they knew everything, and what passes for wisdom with us is foolishness with them. As for the girls, they are forward, immodest and unladylike in speech, behavior and dress."

Peter The Hermit, 1274 AD
 
The fact that the lazy whipper-snapper routine is not new does not necessarily mean that it is false. It could be that people have been getting gradually more lazy (on average) since Roman times, but this has been largely hidden by advances in technology so that lazier people can still get more done.

That’s simply absurd. I won’t entertain that further.

In my generation, people starting a new hobby or interest would expect to spend several years reading, learning and experimenting before they could begin to be creative. Nowadays, too many (but, of course, not all) expect to be able to go from nothing to creating world-class designs within a few months just by asking questions on forums (no reading, no experimenting, no need to acquire knowledge).

I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on the frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond words. When I was a boy, we were taught to be discrete and respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise and impatient of restraint.
- Hesiod, 8th Century B.C

I still find this thread puzzling. It appears to be a complaint that the world is somehow different from what someone wishes it to be.
This shows me you have not exercised the level of inquiry and diligence you seem to criticize as lacking in others.

Perhaps read some social science texts for a few years and get back to us?
 
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I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on the frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond words. When I was a boy, we were taught to be discrete and respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise and impatient of restraint.
- Hesiod, 8th Century B.C
Another misattributed quote. You really really need to find a better source :)

Oh and the currently mess we are in was all caused by the baby boomers anyway. But that is another thread and will upset all the grey people here :p
 
peter the hermit died in 1115?

But nicely makes the point about people who can't be bothered to check things for themselves as the internet has many hits for that quote that have the same clearly wrong date :D
Define “checking things for themselves?”

So, you pulled down the encyclopedia Brittanica?
Consulted an Oracle? Travelled through time?

Because I think what you meant is “I just did a second google search” in which case that’s hardly some kind of virtue.
 
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Define “checking things for themselves?”

Because I think what you meant is “I just did a second google search” in which case that’s hardly some kind of virtue.
I cross referenced 3 different sites. My oxford dictionary of quotations is not at my desk. You didn't even check if your hermit could have been alive to make the quote!
 
Another misattributed quote. You really really need to find a better source [emoji4]

Oh and the currently mess we are in was all caused by the baby boomers anyway. But that is another thread and will upset all the grey people here :p
Must have been a Baby Boomer who transcribed it. I suppose my error was trusting their supposed many years of diligent study.

Many ancient quotes are highly suspect, either way. Finding consensus in attribution isn’t always very clear. The core message remains applicable.

I have not had coffee yet. You’re at an unfair advantage.

Is the whole waking up early like clockwork thing of older folks a general awareness of an impending death / limited time on earth, or some other biological function?
 
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Is the whole waking up early like clockwork thing of older folks a general awareness of an impending death / limited time on earth, or some other biological function?


I'll let you know once the little ones actually let me have a night's sleep. I am up generally before my 84 year old mother.



As for kids, for mine I consider the quote from Lilo and stick, that classic disney animation "on what poor, pitiful, defenseless planet has my monstrosity been unleashed?" :p.
 
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