Budget audiophile speaker cables

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… dab paint at random on the drivers would be any different.

Bud did many of those when he was developing it. I trust his ear. i am confident that the pattern is pretty good. EnABL2* was subtly but decidedly better than EnABL. It works, i cannot imagine living without it.

*(EnABL2* simply uses the sound of the cone to choose where the ringsets go. A bonus is that treated cones are even prettier)


Are there better patterns? Probably, but it is gonna take figuring out why it works, building a model, and doing a lot of simulations to find those patterns. Without knowing why, there are just so many possibilities.

dave
 
In the end, I'll challenge anyone to a double blind test comparing "cheap" 2.4mm square copper speaker cable to any cable they like.
I've had plenty discussions with people about cable, but none of the $100 per meter people actually wanted to do a blind a/b test.
There are a lot of weird audiophile cables out there. There are some very demanding weird loudspeakers (like Apogee) out there also. There are some short and some very long length cables. So we can't say that all cables connected to all speakers will sound the same.
 
Again, not an EE here... but if one limits all variables (capacitance, resistance, inductance, etc) to some nominal target, and providing you don't have some super sensitive speaker - how in God's name do some flowing electrons sound different than others from the same amplifier to the same speaker, via different conduits? Is there a scientific phenomena to describe how cotton supposedly makes a "softer" sound when overwrapped on a strand of copper? (or other, seemingly ridiculous concept)

Is it possible that audiophiles are X-men? (sorry, I just watched Deadpool 2 last night)

I'm about to experiment with solid 12 AWG home electrical. Just because I have it.
 
Again, not an EE here... but if one limits all variables (capacitance, resistance, inductance, etc) to some nominal target, and providing you don't have some super sensitive speaker - how in God's name do some flowing electrons sound different than others from the same amplifier to the same speaker, via different conduits?

And that's it.

I use 18 AWG lamp chord that I buy in bulk at Menards. I always strive to keep leads as short as possible. But in my shop I have a 35 foot lead to the speakers. It's 8 ohm speakers running off 65 watts RMS a channel. There's no apparent issue.

If you're running more than 12 amps continuous then it might be a good idea to use a bigger wire. Shorter leads also relax requirements.

I'm about to experiment with solid 12 AWG home electrical. Just because I have it
That doesn't sound very convenient, and it's overkill. Solid 12 AWG THHN is very stiff and intended to be installed in EMT (conduit). But it will work, no problem.

I read about a test where they did blind testing of all different types of wire, from cheap speaker wire to lamp chord to fancy pants speaker cables. They even threw wire coat hangers into the mix. Nobody could tell the difference. That's right; nobody could tell the difference between a $600 cable, and a coat hanger!
 
That doesn't sound very convenient, and it's overkill. Solid 12 AWG THHN is very stiff and intended to be installed in EMT (conduit). But it will work, no problem.

Yep. Overkill deluxe. But I have a big run of it leftover from wiring the house. Just playing, of course. It won't stay in the installation.

I read about a test where they did blind testing of all different types of wire, from cheap speaker wire to lamp chord to fancy pants speaker cables. They even threw wire coat hangers into the mix. Nobody could tell the difference. That's right; nobody could tell the difference between a $600 cable, and a coat hanger!

I have read about that, too. LOL

I still gotta do it. My kid is a future EE, and as somebody else mentioned, previously... gotta sort out the auidophoolery early. :D
 
What if someone tested various amplifiers to see what various L, C and R combinations each one could drive without (undue) distortion or bursting into oscillation and destroying themselves and taking out tweeters out with them?

Combined with some numbers on cables and vector analysis of speakers, one could predict what would happen with any combination. It would be like ... science!
 
What if someone tested various amplifiers to see what various L, C and R combinations each one could drive without (undue) distortion or bursting into oscillation and destroying themselves and taking out tweeters out with them?

Combined with some numbers on cables and vector analysis of speakers, one could predict what would happen with any combination. It would be like ... science!
Good idea, you could start a thread about it