Just because you can do it, doesn't make it the right tool for the job. I've driven a CGT although not that version you linked. Anyone who buys that for the track is stupid or a Bentley fan. A 911 GT3 RS, Viper ACR, Z06 etc is going to be better.
..... Bentley is running in GT3 and is light weight. It wins, too. But I would not race it either. The engine size allowed in the racing Bentley is too small... handicapped for its twin turbo's to only 4L. And, it is the V8. Not the W12 motor. The stock W12 6.2L TT has a lot more power than the race car. Just needs to go on a serious diet. Otherwise, it is a fine tool for racing.
You might not have known that there are several different performance settings... stock/default setting is the chauffer setting and is slow to accelerate, poor throttle response, soft etc.
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I know there are different settings for the car and it is fast, but the Bentley Continental GT3-R is 4840 lbs according to Car and Driver. It's going to destroy tires and brake pads at an alarming rate (even with carbon ceramics). That is 700 lbs more than a new CTS-V which is already arguably overweight. You might as well take a Mercedes S63 AMG to the track. My only point was there are much better cars for the track for 1/4th of the price, not that you couldn't get one good lap out of one.
BTW, the car running in actual GT3 racing is not even close to a stock car. It's a true race car and shares almost zero components with the stock car, as all true GT3 class cars do. It weighs about 2000 lbs less than a real Bentley Continental GT3-R.
Bentley Motors Website: World of Bentley: Motorsport: Overview
Since you have or had a C6 ZR1 I am sure you would rather take that to the track than the heavy cars.
BTW, the car running in actual GT3 racing is not even close to a stock car. It's a true race car and shares almost zero components with the stock car, as all true GT3 class cars do. It weighs about 2000 lbs less than a real Bentley Continental GT3-R.
Bentley Motors Website: World of Bentley: Motorsport: Overview
Since you have or had a C6 ZR1 I am sure you would rather take that to the track than the heavy cars.
So, when do we get a link to a YouTube video of those douchebags being cuffed & stuffed into the back of a police car for endangering all those lives on public highways?
Those little boys need to grow up, RIGHT NOW. There is NO excuse for that shameful ****.
Those little boys need to grow up, RIGHT NOW. There is NO excuse for that shameful ****.
Why would anyone choose a W over a V for racing? Why add all the extra moving mass? W engines can have overall high output but they are just a way of attaining streetable horsepower (or consistent for flying) V engines you can lighten up the whole moving assembly greatly for fast and high revs.
If the buick v6 at 3.8L, bored to 4L~ can push out 2khp, I am sure the bently turd can make plenty of power within the rules which, will limit it the most. They probably have max boost rules etc.
Also it might be better weight distribution with less weight in front.
$85k is "not breaking the bank" ? I think you have a little bit of a different reality than most people.
There are a lot of cheaper ways to go fast.
Richard sometimes 'forgets himself' when talking about 'cost effective autos', just like I do when designing high end audio equipment.
What would you rather have? A new CADDY or an ORION phono preamp? I estimate that they might cost about the same. '-)
Of course, a complete comparable audio system should cost 0.5 million dollars or more.
What would you rather have? A new CADDY or an ORION phono preamp? I estimate that they might cost about the same. '-)
Of course, a complete comparable audio system should cost 0.5 million dollars or more.
One of the best things about modify a car or even having a W engine is that there are NO rules. Just that it pass smog test. I am not limited to an engine size, turbo size, boost limits, cu in displacement etc. Many street cars are far quicker and faster than race cars because of the "normalizing" of race cars and engines via rules.
-RM
Of course. Lisa didn't want a Bentley so I could trash it on a race track.
My Z06 had big cu in engine and I did everything to that motor.... cam, full length tube headers, head work, valve train etc. It was extremely quick and really ran like crazy >4000 rpm. The ZR1 is a better and more refined car designed for high speed circuits... like endurance racing. The Z06 was quicker off the line but the top end of the ZR1 would run it down. After increased super charger boost and larger inter cooler... and 700HP in a light car it could no longer hold traction in any gear if you hit the gas peddle too hard. Tires breaking loose at freeway speeds is scary with just partial gas added. Big soft traction built tires... gone in 11K miles at 400-450 dollars each. I traded it in because it was seriously really dangerous and uncontrollable... even over powered the traction control. But it was scary fast.... the rate of accel was tremendous. It was built in Corvette factory with the name of Corvette on it. However, there was not a single part used from a Corvette. From wide body to engine... all new and purpose built to qualify for racing. They sold the minimum number of them and now the engine etc can be run as a 'stock' car motor. haha.
Same situation with the new CTS-V. Totally new race car in 2016.... just throw out the rear seats and some useless weight and your done.. oh and a roll cage. Last year sold 2000 units. This year will be less and then stop production. But that is enough unit sold so it too can run with a stock production style engine block/heads for racing classification.
A supercharger pulley change and retune will bring the cts-v to 700HP and Trq. Hmmm. Should I do it again or leave it stock?.... better HP/wgt ratio? Tempting.
An old picture.. Z06, CTS-V and SRT-10 truck... the truck has the big Viper engine V10 8.2L It is in the Guinness book of world records as the fastest stock truck ever.
The need for speed.
-Richard
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What Richard is talking about in auto upgrades is very similar to what I have tried to convey over the decade or more here with audio design improvements. Both are interesting to me, but I know that many of our critics have virtually no interest or perhaps funding to find our inputs interesting. Some here would rather chase the perfect dining experience or give their kids a new car or house. That's OK with me, live and let live, that's my motto. '-)
However, for me, it is the QUEST for audio improvement that sometimes pushes me toward designing what even I could not afford. I could never afford a Constellation for example, but I spent years designing a couple of them. Of course, I got paid (something) not nearly a normal wage, but that's audio for you, the designers just get by, even if some of the company presidents (owners) make big bucks!
Scott, I don't play many 'stinking' CD's. I will try SACD's or 24-96, etc, and it can be OK. Not perfect (yet) but just OK.
However, for me, it is the QUEST for audio improvement that sometimes pushes me toward designing what even I could not afford. I could never afford a Constellation for example, but I spent years designing a couple of them. Of course, I got paid (something) not nearly a normal wage, but that's audio for you, the designers just get by, even if some of the company presidents (owners) make big bucks!
Scott, I don't play many 'stinking' CD's. I will try SACD's or 24-96, etc, and it can be OK. Not perfect (yet) but just OK.
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Knew some sport bike riders in the Bay Area that would go through a set of tires per month, and the tires were worn all the way over the sides from being leaned over cornering in the winding roads up in the hills. Not worn blue on the sides like from racing though.
The difference is that the auto upgrades are real, tangible, and measurable.
It's true, but that does not change the effort necessary to do what Constellation, for example, wants to do.
For example, they wanted the same noise floor as a Vendetta Research SCP-1 or 2 input, but they insisted as well on BALANCED INPUT. That takes 4 times as many input parts than the Vendetta did, (at minimum) and these devices are not available at retail anymore. So they had to pay extra, perhaps 10 times extra for almost unavailable parts in order to meet spec. That is one reason they cost so much retail, but there are many other reasons.
Balanced is one thing that I am not completely sold on. I have never had a problem with a single ended phono input stage, and I continue to design them today. Of course, balanced makes sense for long runs like preamp to amp, but there is less a problem with input design there.
For example, they wanted the same noise floor as a Vendetta Research SCP-1 or 2 input, but they insisted as well on BALANCED INPUT. That takes 4 times as many input parts than the Vendetta did, (at minimum) and these devices are not available at retail anymore. So they had to pay extra, perhaps 10 times extra for almost unavailable parts in order to meet spec. That is one reason they cost so much retail, but there are many other reasons.
Balanced is one thing that I am not completely sold on. I have never had a problem with a single ended phono input stage, and I continue to design them today. Of course, balanced makes sense for long runs like preamp to amp, but there is less a problem with input design there.
I can see the parallel between the high end audio vs cars, balance is key with both.
I found that the mid engined cars to be the most pleasant, inherently can get away with a softer suspension, thus more apt to enable higher horsepower over a variety of road surfaces.
It's all about that outside rear tire...
I found that the mid engined cars to be the most pleasant, inherently can get away with a softer suspension, thus more apt to enable higher horsepower over a variety of road surfaces.
It's all about that outside rear tire...
I might have to do that. Not really. The price drops like a rock for used ones. First off... no respectable King, Queen or other forms of dictator and drug dealers will buy a used one. They buy only new. And, no normal person wants even a used one because the cost of repair and service is too expensive if you cant do it yourself.... not to mention insurance. So, you can get one cheap. Well, maybe not cheap cheap but significantly lower than new. And, most have low miles on them.
If you get one (W12 TT) used and just drive it and drive it (thing is built to last forever) and when something does go bad with it, just push it over a cliff.
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