I temporarily ran a Carver power amp that used an input attenuator.... I could dial down the "noise" sufficiently and amplify the signal and it worked quite well.
My 2cents the Carver amp has a different way in which the input ground is connected to the case, attenuating thus the ground loop. Some amps use a resistor, e.g.
Maybe I can add an attenuator after the soundcard...
I do not think it would work - the signal/noise ratio will stay the same.
I would try breaking the return wire (shield) with a 100ohm resistor like at Avoiding Ground Loop Hum
Another note.... One of my apartment outlets is ungrounded (!!!)
I've already tested running all my gear (from powerbar) on this and still had noise.
Since your PC and pre-amp were connected to the same powerbar (which does have the ground line), you still had the ground loop closed.
...and if I separate the power cords to different outlets?Since your PC and pre-amp were connected to the same powerbar (which does have the ground line), you still had the ground loop closed.
The Dynaco's were designed in the 50's
Likely the security rules were a bit lower those days...?
But they were designed that way and are safe to operate.Likely the security rules were a bit lower those days...?
...and if I separate the power cords to different outlets?
Do the outlets have their ground pins connected with a wire in the wall/distribution box? I think they do...
No they don't. Like I said, ungrounded....Do the outlets have their ground pins connected with a wire in the wall/distribution box? I think they do...
******* death trap apartment!
No they don't. Like I said, ungrounded....
******* death trap apartment!
Well then it is equivalent to cutting your pre-amp PE wire. Good luck
Among other things I've killed the opamp output stage and and connected the dac chip directly to a tube preamp via I/V resistors Those resistors set the output level of the sound card. The bigger the resistors the higher the signal. Preamp's huge gain was fine with 2 ohms - that is around 7,8mV peak.
You PC <--> pre-amp line is running at 8mV peak voltage? No wonder a ground loop makes it noisy...
BTW how about the output antialiasing filter of your soundcard which is a key part of the DA conversion? You are running the sample-hold steps from the DAC chip into your preamp? Maybe the tube amp provides the lowpass filter... But that is a different topic
No ground loop noise in my system With 2 ohm I/V resistor >8mV peak signal -when chips build in volume control is full open- there is no noise on my 94db speakers. I had to do a lot about ground loops to achieve this. With 56 ohm resistors > 220mV signal on the same preamp there is severe noise but still nothing to do with ground loop. I' not an expert on digital but I think the antialiazing filter is also build in the chip. A low pass analogue filter is expected at the tubes input I suppose, but also the tube stage is differential so it should act similarly to the opamp stage for this chip. Again I may understand it all wrong but one thing is sure, there is no noise in my system.You PC <--> pre-amp line is running at 8mV peak voltage? No wonder a ground loop makes it noisy...
BTW how about the output antialiasing filter of your soundcard which is a key part of the DA conversion? You are running the sample-hold steps from the DAC chip into your preamp? Maybe the tube amp provides the lowpass filter... But that is a different topic
No ground loop noise in my system
Well then what are we talking about in this thread?
We're talking about my rig, not his. LolWell then what are we talking about in this thread?
Noise from an audio PC. Why should that has to do only with ground loops?Well then what are we talking about in this thread?
We're talking about my rig, not his. Lol
My stupid, sorry
I'm open to whatever theories or suggestions anyone has...Noise from an audio PC. Why should that has to do only with ground loops?
Ground loop issue is an obvious problem.
What I'm trying to do is to point another possible cause of your problemWe're talking about my rig, not his. Lol
I like the idea of a resistor to ground, especially if I can also reduce line output slightly...its pretty hot out of the Xonar!What I'm trying to do is to point another possible cause of your problem
What I'm trying to do is to point another possible cause of your problem
Since the noise is not present when using his non-earhed monoblocs, I assume it is caused by the ground loop. Plus I have multiple experience of the same problem, always solved by removing the loop by various means. The soundcards themselves are usually pretty clean, even onboard ones.
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