Yeah 30 years but that's less than half the time the company who's manufacturing them has been in business. So you would think they know what their doing by now.
Off course....:😉
Ah....now I understand....😀
If that's not enough Daniel has a pretty comprehensive datasheet for the predecessor of the OP2-BP.
http://www.weiss.ch/files/downloads/op1-bp/OP1-BP-Datasheet-R1.pdf
And the OP2 has been improved further. In Daniel's words:
The improvements of the OP2-BP over the OP1-BP are:
- Emitter follower to drive bootstrapped cascode of input differential pair omitted; instead current source with emitter-referenced used.
- Trim range of DC offset adjustment reduced; drift improved by use of precision resistors in the active load.
- Improved bias line (frontend, output stage).
- Use of 68 pF capacitors instead of 47 pF for emitter follower feed-forward.
- Improved thermal coupling of output stage transistors by use of a common heatsink for all four emitter follower transistors.
- Use of SMD parts for the power transistors.
- RLC decoupling for frontend to improve PSRR.
- Differential decoupling capacitor for output stage to reduce harmonic distortion content in supply current.
If that's not enough Daniel has a pretty comprehensive datasheet for the predecessor of the OP2-BP.
http://www.weiss.ch/files/downloads/op1-bp/OP1-BP-Datasheet-R1.pdf
And the OP2 has been improved further. In Daniel's words:
The improvements of the OP2-BP over the OP1-BP are:
- Emitter follower to drive bootstrapped cascode of input differential pair omitted; instead current source with emitter-referenced used.
- Trim range of DC offset adjustment reduced; drift improved by use of precision resistors in the active load.
- Improved bias line (frontend, output stage).
- Use of 68 pF capacitors instead of 47 pF for emitter follower feed-forward.
- Improved thermal coupling of output stage transistors by use of a common heatsink for all four emitter follower transistors.
- Use of SMD parts for the power transistors.
- RLC decoupling for frontend to improve PSRR.
- Differential decoupling capacitor for output stage to reduce harmonic distortion content in supply current.
Oh now I am convinced.....yes it must be better 🙂
Oh now I am convinced.....yes it must be better 🙂
If both listening test and raw data won't do it for you I guess you're SOL. Better off taking up a different hobby such as dog grooming or something 🙂
- Emitter follower to drive bootstrapped cascode of input differential pair omitted; instead current source with emitter-referenced used.
How does that affect the sound?
How does that affect the sound?
Ask Daniel. I'm sure he didn't just do it to impress guys on Diyaudio with the cool description.
If both listening test and raw data won't do it for you I guess you're SOL. Better off taking up a different hobby such as dog grooming or something 🙂
I assume that by "raw data" you mean the data sheet with the list of technical improvements? Or do you actually have measurement data available?
I assume that by "raw data" you mean the data sheet with the list of technical improvements? Or do you actually have measurement data available?
Did you not see the link to the datasheet?
Ask Daniel. I'm sure he didn't just do it to impress guys on Diyaudio with the cool description.
Fair enough, have to remember you are just the middle man.
Fair enough, have to remember you are just the middle man.
Maybe if I was 2000 years old I'd have the cumulative knowledge of everyone working on our projects. But until then I'm just a dummy 🙂
But until then I'm just a dummy 🙂
Hey the snake oil suddenly disappeared from the walls....
By the way I love my dog....
Hey the snake oil suddenly disappeared from the walls....
By the way I love my dog....
Just make sure he's not barking during the listening test. It spoils it all 🙂
No, it's a very musical dog; when he barks it's in the right tempo.
This explains the problem.
Could we get back to discussing Ncore? 🙂
I'm not sure. Is it possible here? I've mentioned a new Ncore based amp only to be met with the usual harsh criticism. Could it be possible that the tone that's set when anything interesting is mentioned in this thread, is the reason the contributions have slimmed down to nothing?
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I'm not sure. Is it possible here? I've mentioned a new Ncore based amp only to be met with the usual harsh criticism.
One man's healthy scepticism is (clearly) another man's harsh criticism.
One man's healthy scepticism is (clearly) another man's harsh criticism.
Yes healthy much like drinking apple cider vinegar twice a day. It will appeal to very few.
Yes healthy much like drinking apple cider vinegar twice a day. It will appeal to very few.
Indeed. Most people prefer not to question what they are told. Unfortunately we see the results - in things such as politics.
..... Could it be possible that the tone that's set when anything interesting is mentioned in this thread, is the reason the contributions have slimmed down to nothing?
The point is how interesting it is.
By mere coming up with another high tech discrete op amp, and so called super power supplies (by the way almost 1 mV ripple is nothing special...) I am not yet convinced.
I understand that there is some competition going on on how to "improve" NC500 based amplifiers by tossing around with input stages which has to be discrete 🙄 but it remains to be seen if it all leads to a better sounding amplifier. It's a very commercial affair.
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