Do you agree with his points? Some thoughts I extract from his interview
"One of the most important things to design the speaker driver is, generally, the magnetic flux density."
zylon cone (have zero idea what it is)
all drivers are overhung
voice coil features square copper instead of round ones
source is here: Yamaha NS-5000 - full story + interview
"One of the most important things to design the speaker driver is, generally, the magnetic flux density."
zylon cone (have zero idea what it is)
all drivers are overhung
voice coil features square copper instead of round ones
source is here: Yamaha NS-5000 - full story + interview
that Zylon sounds like something we might be hearing a lot more of in the next few years
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zylon
ps - for what it's worth, I absolutely loved - but could never afford - the NS1000s, and in my naive late 20s always found some merit in an manufacturer of virtually every type of musical instrument building loudspeakers. - i.e. if nothing else, their audio R&D engineers wouldn't have to go far to hear the real thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zylon
ps - for what it's worth, I absolutely loved - but could never afford - the NS1000s, and in my naive late 20s always found some merit in an manufacturer of virtually every type of musical instrument building loudspeakers. - i.e. if nothing else, their audio R&D engineers wouldn't have to go far to hear the real thing.
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+ very curious about this material as well. Zylon sounds a little like a Galactica stuff but if it's really better than Beyrilium in the stifness/weight ratio, I'm curious to hear this new monitor ! with the good idea to keep the dome shape for the mid !
Some says than the last Be 1000s was weak in the bass area...
Damned, looks like a tROELS gRAVSEN DESIGN..... LOL !
I hope for the futur owners there is a front pannel to hide the drivers ?! a blue or orange woden could be fine or a black one as well... white also but with years ????
Is it for enter in the competition against the JBL M2 ?? A futur cheaper answer from Pioneer/TAD to come ?
+ very curious about this material as well. Zylon sounds a little like a Galactica stuff but if it's really better than Beyrilium in the stifness/weight ratio, I'm curious to hear this new monitor ! with the good idea to keep the dome shape for the mid !
Some says than the last Be 1000s was weak in the bass area...
Damned, looks like a tROELS gRAVSEN DESIGN..... LOL !
I hope for the futur owners there is a front pannel to hide the drivers ?! a blue or orange woden could be fine or a black one as well... white also but with years ????
Is it for enter in the competition against the JBL M2 ?? A futur cheaper answer from Pioneer/TAD to come ?
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well, except that a Troels' design would be all boutique caps and coils, and not likely include piano grade paint job by folks who actually paint pianos for a living.
djn - http://www.japanbullet.com/technology/yamaha-next-generation-natural-sound-speakers-ns-5000
11,000 Euro / pair, not all that ridiculously overpriced 🙄
djn - http://www.japanbullet.com/technology/yamaha-next-generation-natural-sound-speakers-ns-5000
11,000 Euro / pair, not all that ridiculously overpriced 🙄
😀.... just the price of a little car... with 3 layers of painting 
!
With all the benefits of music have on the human beings I 'm always ask ;
-1 ) why it is always as expensive with 7 billions of people : 5 x plus in relation to the first years of tubed sounding cinema !
- 2) wht not more people (in%) are listening music with good hifi ?
Result : is it because there are more people the price is bigger ?
Is there more competition
Is it because of rap music ?
I'm always asking myself !
!With all the benefits of music have on the human beings I 'm always ask ;
-1 ) why it is always as expensive with 7 billions of people : 5 x plus in relation to the first years of tubed sounding cinema !
- 2) wht not more people (in%) are listening music with good hifi ?
Result : is it because there are more people the price is bigger ?
Is there more competition
Is it because of rap music ?
I'm always asking myself !
.... my thought is it's a plot from Hollywood !
Cars are not usefull for hapiness, but very usefull to make a movie more fun, like a horse in a western ! Imagine a movie with speakers pursuits ?! That's why cars are cheap and speakers so expensive despite they are in the opposite about cost construction !
It's of course a plot from industry as if the would have the goal to make the human being happy with music, a NS 5000 should be bought by everyone for the price of a RaspBerry Pi 1/2 ! No ?
I can add than making three front circular bafles of the color of the red/orange color from the japonese pillars we can see with the sea gates shrines could be as beautifull as a temple ! With this good idea, I should add Yamaha could give me a pair of this speaker as it's a very good idea for a futir marketing operation !
... and by the way , my friend Donald from USA which is as mad as me agreed !... and yes the wine is always good here ! lol !
Cars are not usefull for hapiness, but very usefull to make a movie more fun, like a horse in a western ! Imagine a movie with speakers pursuits ?! That's why cars are cheap and speakers so expensive despite they are in the opposite about cost construction !
It's of course a plot from industry as if the would have the goal to make the human being happy with music, a NS 5000 should be bought by everyone for the price of a RaspBerry Pi 1/2 ! No ?
I can add than making three front circular bafles of the color of the red/orange color from the japonese pillars we can see with the sea gates shrines could be as beautifull as a temple ! With this good idea, I should add Yamaha could give me a pair of this speaker as it's a very good idea for a futir marketing operation !
... and by the way , my friend Donald from USA which is as mad as me agreed !... and yes the wine is always good here ! lol !
'why it is always as expensive' - 'cause there's always some lucky fool with deep pockets...
'the wine is always good here !' - here too....
... I think these need to be cloned...
'the wine is always good here !' - here too....
... I think these need to be cloned...
Fascinates me over and over again how hard it is to achieve
a smooth paintjob, like a piano finish. In my view that is the
most difficult thing a DIYer will encounter while trying to
replicate one.
a smooth paintjob, like a piano finish. In my view that is the
most difficult thing a DIYer will encounter while trying to
replicate one.
Indeed, in many cases (let's say, standard rectilinear "monkey coffins") the total time and materials, or automated production facilities for "piano grade" paint job can cost more than the construction of the enclosures themselves.
While reading a story about Greg Timbers, I was surprised to find that his personal favorite was the rather conventional looking JBL L250. Despite the fact that he's designed a ton of famous horns.
Makes me curious to hear some of these big monkey coffins from the 70s and 80s.
Hi ChrisB,
Translation : I drinked 3 glass of red wine😀, so I was a little lyric, but the ideas behind my posts were :
It's stays too expensive ! And today the fact we have much more consumers than 30 years ago (I'm not sure we have a lot more of richest people and the goal of an industry is to sell more! ) : so why not sell it less expensive to winn % of mass market ?! After all we are much more hifi (and diy) enthusiasts than before, and industires which makes their benchmark monthly here know it well !
Even with the result : is it time aligned, is it a pro device or Something to putt in a studio (so why piano coating if it is -and which exact quality???-)
For me it's a little half ugly, half beautifull : ok for the piano - personally if find bright thigs a little trivial, but why not- but all is wasted by the ugly front circulars bafle ! Here I'm surprised, Japanoneeses have good tastes in design - but pushing the technology to let it visible when it's not so beautifull it is Strange....
With a little more efforts, the look and the price could be better : 5 000 bucks instead 10 000 and three circular front bafle from a good color will be more modern, more classic in the same time with the piano glass so less vulgar ! At least for my tastes. And if I must spend for Gauss now instead kilo of wood or efficienty, I could have the temptation to purchase an other more powerfull speaker !
They make no more efforts than T Gravsen for the look ! 😛 (but he has a goal with ears first---- well and maybe to advert a little Jantzen too)
Well, to rephrase it short : too much expensive for the marketing speach and to be the son of 1000's Papa speaker... and the look either. We are not sure todays it cost much more than the old version with Beyrilium to build : so what are you doing you crazy staff at Yamaha (and many brands but not all) : are we just stupid consumers and your only goal is to sell your top product to fools with money ????? (to make it very short, but I believe the surealistic version above was funier and the australians understood me as they have good wine too - but a little short in length timing Inside the mouth 😉 for the wines I tested!
Now if it sounds better than a more priced speaker, they are certainly smarter than I think !
Translation : I drinked 3 glass of red wine😀, so I was a little lyric, but the ideas behind my posts were :
It's stays too expensive ! And today the fact we have much more consumers than 30 years ago (I'm not sure we have a lot more of richest people and the goal of an industry is to sell more! ) : so why not sell it less expensive to winn % of mass market ?! After all we are much more hifi (and diy) enthusiasts than before, and industires which makes their benchmark monthly here know it well !
Even with the result : is it time aligned, is it a pro device or Something to putt in a studio (so why piano coating if it is -and which exact quality???-)
For me it's a little half ugly, half beautifull : ok for the piano - personally if find bright thigs a little trivial, but why not- but all is wasted by the ugly front circulars bafle ! Here I'm surprised, Japanoneeses have good tastes in design - but pushing the technology to let it visible when it's not so beautifull it is Strange....
With a little more efforts, the look and the price could be better : 5 000 bucks instead 10 000 and three circular front bafle from a good color will be more modern, more classic in the same time with the piano glass so less vulgar ! At least for my tastes. And if I must spend for Gauss now instead kilo of wood or efficienty, I could have the temptation to purchase an other more powerfull speaker !
They make no more efforts than T Gravsen for the look ! 😛 (but he has a goal with ears first---- well and maybe to advert a little Jantzen too)
Well, to rephrase it short : too much expensive for the marketing speach and to be the son of 1000's Papa speaker... and the look either. We are not sure todays it cost much more than the old version with Beyrilium to build : so what are you doing you crazy staff at Yamaha (and many brands but not all) : are we just stupid consumers and your only goal is to sell your top product to fools with money ????? (to make it very short, but I believe the surealistic version above was funier and the australians understood me as they have good wine too - but a little short in length timing Inside the mouth 😉 for the wines I tested!
Now if it sounds better than a more priced speaker, they are certainly smarter than I think !
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While reading a story about Greg Timbers, I was surprised to find that his personal favorite was the rather conventional looking JBL L250. Despite the fact that he's designed a ton of famous horns.
Makes me curious to hear some of these big monkey coffins from the 70s and 80s.
Hi Patrick John,
This JBL you showed was not so bad with a true bass for a hifi speaker, and not so expensive for the price even in France. Just maybe it lacks of refinment, but Nothing to complain for the price they used to sell it !
Btw, anyone to re look with PC Tools, the 3 circular front bafles with this color : Itsukushima gate near Hiroshima ?
of course, in real it's matier, but here it's to show it could be pretty with the black gloss and very japoneese too - this time ; maybe vulgar for a true japoneese?! While being a little joke as well in reference to the 70s' orange color we used to like in our western countries... (sorry i'm in a delirium on the black piano and the ugly circular front bafles and ugly white cones/domes.... ).... I'm now asking if it's not for the japoneese markett only ??? So white and black is very shintoist !
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Its actually not that hard - there is a special product, at least I know ICA Italy make it (they told me about it at one of our meetings) - its a polyester resin based lacquer that creates a very thick coating and is easy to sand. The older school method is by the use of 12-15 layers of lacquer and sand each other until grit 2000 is reached. Then the final is mated with 2000 and after some polishing with paste №1 and then №3 - it does come to shape. But it requires two machines many may lack - a good orbital sander and a polisher.
Sony recently launched a line using the SS Revelator and I see Technics back to business. Interesting revamp of all the Japanese wide-brands. These look very nice, not that expensive at 11 grand considering the amount of work put into a pair.
Mario,
I'm really glad to hear that there is a special coating lacquer
which could be applied in really thick layers, then sanded smooth,
but it would be better to know the actual product name. I'm not so
sure that this would be available in a local Home Depot store.
Still, the amount of work needed to prep the surface for piano finish
was huge in my case. I have tried it once and I wouldn't be willing
to do that more than once in a decade or two.
I wholeheartedly agree that 11.000 € is not that astronomically high
when you consider what kind of rubbish there is in this audio world
for the equivalent sum.
Eldam,
I also find that NS-5000's silhouette isn't exactly elegant but that is a
compromise Yamaha had to make for the reasons they felt were
of more importance. The height would have to be enormous and
the cabinet shape of a different kind to meet the standard of an
object of art and beauty. That would mean about 70 kg of mass for a
single box and the half of it wouldn't have anything to do with sonics.
I'm really glad to hear that there is a special coating lacquer
which could be applied in really thick layers, then sanded smooth,
but it would be better to know the actual product name. I'm not so
sure that this would be available in a local Home Depot store.
Still, the amount of work needed to prep the surface for piano finish
was huge in my case. I have tried it once and I wouldn't be willing
to do that more than once in a decade or two.
I wholeheartedly agree that 11.000 € is not that astronomically high
when you consider what kind of rubbish there is in this audio world
for the equivalent sum.
Eldam,
I also find that NS-5000's silhouette isn't exactly elegant but that is a
compromise Yamaha had to make for the reasons they felt were
of more importance. The height would have to be enormous and
the cabinet shape of a different kind to meet the standard of an
object of art and beauty. That would mean about 70 kg of mass for a
single box and the half of it wouldn't have anything to do with sonics.
Silhouette is ok for my tatse (I find the basic parralepiped not so bad and even can be aethtetic both in a modern living room or classic/antique western living room) ! No for me it's really lacking of a front bafle to hide the white shintoist drivers or it lacks 3 circulars baffle to both highlight them to hide them more (= to highlight the black gloss with the good color without the ugly détails showed by the drivers and their transparent "grilles" !
Btw, having for main system a black Boston Lynnfield 400L with a black front bafle do from me an authorised hifist for speaking about black monkey coffins speakers ! lol !
http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/135589-boston_acoustics_lynnfield_400l/ : take the lift down to see the pictures !
Anyone heard this Yamaha 5000 ? On the market already (they spoke about July in Japan for the launching ?!)... Any japoneese fellow here who heard it ?
Btw, having for main system a black Boston Lynnfield 400L with a black front bafle do from me an authorised hifist for speaking about black monkey coffins speakers ! lol !
http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/135589-boston_acoustics_lynnfield_400l/ : take the lift down to see the pictures !
Anyone heard this Yamaha 5000 ? On the market already (they spoke about July in Japan for the launching ?!)... Any japoneese fellow here who heard it ?
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