John Curl's Blowtorch preamplifier part II

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An input attenuator when looking at 1 nanovolt levels?


Ed, you'd be better off putting the fft box directly across the connectors to look at contact non linearities. No loop, no capacitance to ground to worry about. That way, you could look at attovolts..

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That would be pico volts and my limit is around 20 pV/rt(Hz.) with an input impedance of under an ohm and very limited bandwidth. Besides it should come as no surprise that different connectors of the same manufacturer mate a bit differently.
 
A 1M scope probe is a piece of wire. The scope's input impedance is 1M. When you use a probe with a 9M resistor at the tip with a compensating capacitor you get 10M and a 10/1 Divider. you cam also adjust the trimmer for good square wave response to compensate for the cable and input capacitance.

Yea we knew that, scope probes are full of unnecessary junctions/connections.
 
For reasons which I won't bore you with, some years ago I found myself having to assist a maths professor with a project which involved some experiments on real stuff - in this case it was a composite rubbery material containing carbon fibres. We were visiting a company which had some ultrasonic technology for looking inside things. I watched with a mixture of horror and amusement as she took a material sample out of its holder, placed it on the experimental rig and then smoothed it down with her finger. It was one of those occasions when by the time I realised what she was about to do it was too late to stop her and suggest we find some tweezers etc. I don't know how this affected the outcome, but not knowing that would have made me cautious; it obviously had the opposite effect on her.

Real stuff is messy. I would hesitate to think that I could measure nV (or aV!) at points separated in space by more than a few mm, or joined by a loop of wire - unless magnetic induction in the loop was what I was intending to measure.
 
I would hesitate to think that I could measure nV (or aV!) at points separated in space by more than a few mm, or joined by a loop of wire - unless magnetic induction in the loop was what I was intending to measure.

Thus my observation above. You cannot reliably do so- that's the difference between precision and accuracy.

I wish it were a matter of confusion rather than pointing out a basic flaw in the experiment (which took several days to come to light when no sketch was provided). My question would then be, is that flaw a deliberate one?
 
Because there are changes when you insert and remove the connectors, so after a few repeats it seems to smooth out. You certainly can do more. But at a single forward and reverse it could be anything from random chance to dirt.

BTY the best kind of cable for this test is one of the RG59 to RCA "Video" cables.

Do you mean you are measuring cables and attached connectors all together? If, so you have a system that is a little more complex that a cable alone. If there are directional effects, how would you know if it was cable, solder, connectors? In particular, connectors can be a problem as you seem to indicate when you say it make take a few re-connections to get them to settle down. In that case, I wonder, settle down to what? When you have metals, perhaps with some light oxidation slip-fit together it seems like an opportunity for non-linearity to occur.
 
Do you mean you are measuring cables and attached connectors all together? If, so you have a system that is a little more complex that a cable alone. If there are directional effects, how would you know if it was cable, solder, connectors? In particular, connectors can be a problem as you seem to indicate when you say it make take a few re-connections to get them to settle down. In that case, I wonder, settle down to what? When you have metals, perhaps with some light oxidation slip-fit together it seems like an opportunity for non-linearity to occur.

Most of the directional effects are from the connectors and how they mate. That is why it is better to do multiple passes and see what repeats.

Demonstrated this many times.
 
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Making a cable which has 8 ohm characteristic impedance across the audio spectrum is rather difficult. At the very least it would require very low conductor resistance and significant added inductance. Of course, 8 ohm RF impedance is much easier - I fear that people often do the latter and think they have achieved the former.

years ago, I build a speaker cable from 10 paralleled 75 Ohm coax. Seemed to work well... low Z... and low L & R.


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Most of the directional effects are from the connectors and how they mate. That is why it is better to do multiple passes and see what repeats.

Demonstrated this many times.

Okay, but given the connectors are always attached to the cable, how do you know it is the cables and not the connectors that eventually repeat? (edit: assuming some directional effect remains)
 
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It's still based on a free open source OS and in general I have found no signal processing algorithms that are not freely available,
DADiSP-

Though I/we might agree on that point of yours', it doesnt really apply to what DADiSP has done. It is more than a GUI. All the code is written or rewritten in machine language and originally for scientific computers which are optimized for number crunching. It is super fast... so fast you can have many (up to 50) windows open at the same time and all get changed in what looks like real time. With the LSI-11 family, I could input circuit and do a sweep of values on a component and in another window watch in real time the output (filter) response changing. And you can input a signal in one window and under that window type fft to another window --- fft W2 and instantly you have the fft in the other window. In that W2*W2 = W3 and you instantly have the PSD in W3. So it is like a spreadsheet but using windows.

Having many windows open at the same time and watching changes in real time on all of them is impressive in speed and usefulness in correlating it all together. Then of course you can do 2D-3D graphes as well. But the speed is amazing when you have more complex math functions in several windows. Using machine language in a new fast PC might be the next best thing to have your designing done on a super computer.



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Some on the forum even want to be able to remotely monitor and adjust amp bias
and protection parameters with another app.
Or mute the solid state protection relays remotely.
Dang , even the amp will be IOT.

We were doing that stuff a long time ago. Satellites have to be completely re-configurable from the ground. But for a power amp its a bit OTT IMO. Remote VTA adjustment on vinyl might be fun. If only strain gauge carts were more widespread you could do VTF on the fly as well. But I don't want my things connected to the cloud. Flood sensors etc yes. My stuff NO.
I'm all for that , but would still want everything to be backwards compatible with
the 20'th century (just in case) :D .
Me too. I can still play CDs in the fancy blu-ray player but its soo slow compared to my old marantz CD80 I do often wish I still had that.
"Create the playlist" ... that fancy player I posted will look at what you normally
listen to and do a "auto DJ" to create a custom self generated list. It even looks
at what other tracks are normally chosen (by other users) from those same
albums , and will add them to the playlist. Nearly a local + internet "AI" to create
an engaging experience based on both you and others ...crazy !!

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Not sure it would work for me. I jump genres waaay too much. I might try it at some point, but for now I want my music player to do as its damned well told and not get clever.

Aside: was called a heretic by a friend today as mentioned I preferred the original demo of Lynerd Skynerd 'freebird' to the album version as was missing the 4 minute gratuitous guitar solo, which although is good, doesn't really add to the song other than doubling its length.
 
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