Actually didn't p me off. Believe it or not I have the reputation of being the calmest guy in the room during a crisis. (Just have to be a bit calmer than everyone else. Don't want to go into what gets missed in a mass panic.)
As to QC, the folks I buy from do make a bit of cable, not sure who really makes the "Audiophile" stuff. But if you want a custom assembly minimums run 1000'. I was a bit surprised to find 50,000' is considered a large single order.
I'm guessing that the "break in " time for a cable is a way of delaying an immediate judgement of sound quality....until the check clears, or until the buyer's remorse has dissipated. There could very well be something to breaking in cables, but I have never seen any evidence of anything that would indicate that this is a real thing. I am open to anecdotes based on facts.
Keep on trolling. Because the cable has moved from storage to a possibly heated or air conditioned space. In order to do any real test you have to control all of the parameters. Usually not the case for anything audio. So yes hooking the cable up to a break in box can have results on the moisture. Who knows the small amount of power dissipation may even do something. But with folks reporting changes I won't jump on someone who wishes to try it.
Cite to a measurement showing capacitors having moisture level changes with a small signal applied?
Just curious. Is it generally accepted that audio transformers change over time with use from brand new? I've seen posts by seemingly proficient engineers indicating they noticed change in sound after a certain initial running in period. My question is, if it's true then what is it attributed to, or has there been any consensus?
The thought , of course, is that if it has anything to do with the wire or dielectric then perhaps can it apply to interconnects or other cables? Just a question, not pushing a cause. (Personally, I've been using the same cables for years and don't have much interest in doing experiments with the idea. Though perhaps it could be neat if the O.P. wanted to take it on - building the burner and doing an A-B with two pairs of identical new interconnects.)
The thought , of course, is that if it has anything to do with the wire or dielectric then perhaps can it apply to interconnects or other cables? Just a question, not pushing a cause. (Personally, I've been using the same cables for years and don't have much interest in doing experiments with the idea. Though perhaps it could be neat if the O.P. wanted to take it on - building the burner and doing an A-B with two pairs of identical new interconnects.)
I haven't experienced this but I can, under very specific circumstances, come up with a few plausibility arguments involving magnetostriction and mechanical relaxation with high applied voltages. And if the lams are sloppy, potentially corrosion. In "Valve Amplifiers" 3rd edition, Morgan Jones speculated about long term core degradation indicated by some measurements, but by the 4th edition, he had found errors in the measurements and it turned out that the inductors were just fine.
None of this has anything to do with the wire mumbo-jumbo.
None of this has anything to do with the wire mumbo-jumbo.
Simple lots of folks have measured the distortion as did I. Then I placed them in my can of silica gel packs for six months and the distortion decreased as it does from running a break in signal.
Now it can be water is slightly polar, electrolysis or some other yet to be discovered mechanism. But of course that actually requires trying something. You know like the OP who is curious.
How was the effect of breaking in in a wet vs dry place tested? I have never seen any mention of this by anyone so all conclusions on electrical break-in are total speculation and questionable.
Cite to a measurement showing capacitors having moisture level changes with a small signal applied? That's what you claimed (post 26), that's not what your "answer" says.
Scott
I thought we had discussed the bit from LA showing break in on Mylar capacitors before. Following that I did a simple experiment. Measure some out if my stock. All looked about the same. Put 4 in series with an AC wall wart and 4 in the can. All measured lower distortion when retested. Didn't think it showed anything really interesting. Mylar makes bad capacitors for critical use.
I deliberately did not try baking them as that would have reduced the humidity but could affect other things.
Now as to humidity control we check the solid wood in the shop and it drops from typical 12-15% in the summer to about 2-4% lower in the winter. Depends on the type of wood.
No idea how to check a capacitors level. But a simple test anyone can do is check one after a rainy spell and again near the end of winter.
Well SY anyone can read the bit in Linear Audio and see the capacitor measurements before and after break in. So as usual you are slinging aspersions that are wrong, rude, snide and contribute nothing to a serious technical discussion.
But is there any other direction you wish to disrupt and drag the issue from how to build a cable cooker?
Stick to the subject and to constructive posts, please.
I did. No mention of moisture.
And not about wires, the subject here. Does ANYONE have any evidence that any wire "break in" has any efficacy whatsoever? And how would one break in a potato, moisture laden, which Pano has shown to be indistinguishable from a copper wire in an ears-only evaluation?
BTW, if you're concerned about moisture, just use a conventional insulation- PP, PE, PTFE, PVC. They all have vanishingly low moisture uptake.
The very worst insulation would be any of the cloth materials, which seem to have a cult following.
The very worst insulation would be any of the cloth materials, which seem to have a cult following.
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