It's a shame we don't have a Dayton distributor in the UK.
AudioHobby.EU carries at least a couple of woofers. They're pretty responsive and would probably get you anything you asked if you were willing to wait.
Best,
Erik
Problem is once shipping costs are factored in I might as well buy a decent seas driver from falcon
Problem is once shipping costs are factored in I might as well buy a decent seas driver from falcon
Bill, is it true that VAT is added in UK when you buy something in EU? I heard some stories of having to pay VAT in Germany for example, then UK VAT is added also?
When I buy on-line in Germany, the VAT is paid there and nothing is added in Czech Rep.....
Peter
Bill, is it true that VAT is added in UK when you buy something in EU? I heard some stories of having to pay VAT in Germany for example, then UK VAT is added also?
When I buy on-line in Germany, the VAT is paid there and nothing is added in Czech Rep.....
Peter
Pretty sure no vat is added in the uk if it's already been applied to the price in the member EU country.
http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/common/buying_online/buying_goods/within_eu_en.htm
Sorry about that Bill! I was trying to be helpful. Despite the rumors, I do try sometimes. 🙂
Best,
Erik
Best,
Erik
Sorry about that Bill! I was trying to be helpful. Despite the rumors, I do try sometimes. 🙂
Best,
Erik
Appreciated! [emoji106]
You also can try loudspeakerfreaks they have almost all the consumer brands and also a few pro brands, lots of crossover components etc.
And also Strassacker loudspeakers shop. Also got consumer and a lot of pro drivers.
And also Strassacker loudspeakers shop. Also got consumer and a lot of pro drivers.
There's a French supplier which seems to offer the best deals. Audiophonics? Tho I've never ordered from them.
Never had a problem with Strassacker and there is no UK VAT added as long as purchased within EU and local VAT was paid.
However Loudspeakerfreaks were called Europe Audio until recently and here is a thread regarding them: http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/vendors-bazaar/201378-europe-audio-dreadful-experience.html
However Loudspeakerfreaks were called Europe Audio until recently and here is a thread regarding them: http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/vendors-bazaar/201378-europe-audio-dreadful-experience.html
Yes, Europe Audio / loudspeakerfreaks didn't send my goods for months ..until I made a fraud claim through the bank.
Europe Audio have terrible customer service and never reply to emails. Their phone line is a bust too and doesn't work. They have kept me in the dark and waiting for months but even so they have always ended up delivering. Not exactly a good way to do business but at least they've always provided the goods in the end.
Europe Audio have terrible customer service and never reply to emails. Their phone line is a bust too and doesn't work. They have kept me in the dark and waiting for months but even so they have always ended up delivering. Not exactly a good way to do business but at least they've always provided the goods in the end.
Could it be that Europe Audio doesn't carry much inventory and thus have to place order/s with their suppliers that can create the delay/s you are experiencing? Stocking speaker parts and accessories can be an expensive proposition with the myriad of different cap, coil and resistor values - let alone drivers themselves. A tough business to be in, not knowing what to stock. Here in the states Parts Express tells you up front if an item is in stock or not.
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Loudspeakerfreaks/ Europe audio aren't official distributors for anyone. I guess they wait for orders to back up as long as possible then go to their suppliers. Some customers never get their orders.
They claim x amount of days to deliver etc and didn't in my case
They claim x amount of days to deliver etc and didn't in my case
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Exactly. But then again how long do these people wait with no communication before smelling fraud and going to their bank and instigating legal action?
Personally I wouldn't mind the wait if I was told upfront about what to expect. The last order I placed was mid Februar,y with an item not currently in stock, but with a 3-4 day expected wait, for them to acquire from their supplier. Needless to say this took until mid May to actually arrive...
It's things like that and lack of communication that irritate me. I wouldn't mind if they were upfront and actually kept me informed, disclosed their business model.
Personally I wouldn't mind the wait if I was told upfront about what to expect. The last order I placed was mid Februar,y with an item not currently in stock, but with a 3-4 day expected wait, for them to acquire from their supplier. Needless to say this took until mid May to actually arrive...
It's things like that and lack of communication that irritate me. I wouldn't mind if they were upfront and actually kept me informed, disclosed their business model.
I always need more smoothness if i can afford it. The thread was open to compare Dayton and SS/Seas and i started to do so. If I cross it at 3KHz, i want it flat and problem free to 5KHz at the very least.
Yes but I would never cross it at 3kHz as that would create off axis issues. Perhaps not large ones but why create more of an issue than you could otherwise design around? Most tweeters are quite happy down to 2kHz.
The only time when I'd want a higher xover is for a directivity match to a suitable waveguide tweeter. Then I'd want the smoothness, but a metal cone wouldn't be an option up that high anyway so the Dayton would be out of the window to start with.
As for me, if it was cheaper or if i start to earn more money i would deffinitely try Revelators and/or Illuminators at my home. Not for bragging but for the experience - just to see how do i like that extra smoothness.
Indeed. They get a lot of praise and it's easy to see why. Generally I prefer the way the Revs measure vs Illuminators but I am not really a fan of the large peak in 2nd order at the cone edge/surround resonance. It really is probably nothing to worry about, but if I can pick drivers that do not exhibit this then I tend to. I have tried the 5" Satori mid/bass and enjoy it a lot though.
Yes but I would never cross it at 3kHz as that would create off axis issues. Perhaps not large ones but why create more of an issue than you could otherwise design around? Most tweeters are quite happy down to 2kHz...
Generally i don't like to use tweeters that low unless i absolutelly have to. I did few 5" loudpeakers that xover at ~3KHz without off axis issues - last one being 15w8434/RAAL 64-10.
Göran from audioexcite made 3 loudspeakers using 15w4531 with different tweeters and with crossover point at ~3KHz in every one of them. None of them exibits any problems off axis - measurements to 60deg off axis available.
Large series inductors tackle two things at the same time: baffle step and lower xover point. I don't usually like the sound with large inductors in series with midbasses. Midrange becomes - lets say different. Lots of guys incorporate bsc into the series inductor. I like the sound of small value series inductor and a series notch filter to adress baffle step peak much better - all other things being equal.
So 3KHz for 5" is not too high for me but i understand where you're coming from.
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I did few 5" loudpeakers that xover at ~3KHz without off axis issues - last one being 15w8434/RAAL 64-10.
Göran from audioexcite made 3 loudspeakers using 15w4531 with different tweeters and with crossover point at ~3KHz in every one of them. None of them exibits any problems off axis - measurements to 60deg off axis available.
So 3KHz for 5" is not too high for me but i understand where you're coming from.
A shallow cone or flat diaphragm driver offers better dispersion. I crossed a 7" Alpair @3khz ok.
I crossed a 7" Alpair @3khz ok.
Which one? The largest Alpair 12 is a nominal 6.5" driver.
dave
Which one? The largest Alpair 12 is a nominal 6.5" driver.
dave
IIRC Bill was experimenting with the Alpair 12PW.
Noticed that the Sd of the Alpair 12PW is close to that of 7" woofers - links to Madisound:
https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.c...-classic-18w/8545-01-7-mid-woofer-paper-cone/
https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.c...pair-12pw-8-paper-cone-bass-wide-band-driver/
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