That's a lot of food 🙂.
Nobody goes away hungry... 🙂
The point was that a 7.5k pre, to drive 1k amp is a little to much. Isn't it?
Or one could take the view that the 1K amp could probably sell even better if priced at 10K... 🙂
Lets get back to finding the best solution for an input buffer for boggit's amp, which is a very interesting subject
+1
Someone offered up a Tube based input buffer a few weeks ago ...looked interesting. How hot would it get though? Boggit would need to punch holes in the top of case to let them dissipate heat, I suspect; may not be feasible
IMO, the LME49860 is somewhere between those two discrete opamps. There is just a slight amount of hiss (ear on tweeter) tho, but it's under my personal threshold of too much noise. Worth a try, but could be too dark sounding for your taste...or then again, maybe its just right...😉.
I don't want to put all the opamps in order, since some of them are tested less than others. Only some get to the longer listening, some just seem to be worse than the previous option. Here is the complete list so far:
LME49860
OPA2132
OPA2134
Sparkos
Burson V5
994-enh-ticha
LM4562
OPA627
NJM4580D
OPA797AR
OPA797BR
OPA2228
NE5532
Iirc, that should be all.
My setup
Streamer: PC/USB
Source: MSB Analog Dac + Diamond power + Volume control + Premium QUAD USB2
Amp: Nord One Up (with RCA)
Speakers: Marten Bird 2
You have some excellent speakers, I assume that they are possibly slightly brighter than mine if you find the Bursons too forward and the Sparkos good although maybe its something else in the system.
We are all in the same earth. 7.5k is ~2000 Big Macs (using your example🙂).
That's a lot of food 🙂.
The point was that a 7.5k pre, to drive 1k amp is a little to much. Isn't it?
Lets get back to finding the best solution for an input buffer for boggit's amp, which is a very interesting subject (in this thread). And your contribution on this, was significant so far. Keep on!![]()
Yes agree we need Boggit to design the best possible buffer.
Although I suspect it is not as easy as we think.
At present the buffer he designed works well for me with the Sparkos or Bursons but some have found that they get a little hiss with the Sparkos and LM4562 because as I understand it higher efficiency speakers.
So he needs to uprate it to cover all of the initial op amps that can be used with higher efficiency speakers and then he needs to see if it will still work on numerous other op amps both inexpensive and expensive.
Quite a bit of work I think.
Yes agree we need Boggit to design the best possible buffer.
Or we could use the standard Hypex one 🙂
So he needs to uprate it to cover all of the initial op amps that can be used with higher efficiency speakers and then he needs to see if it will still work on numerous other op amps both inexpensive and expensive.
Not sure that is really feasible. Not all of those opamps have the same specs. A circuit optimized for one might not work very well for another one - and do we want a "sort of OK on the average" compromise?
Yes agree we need Boggit to design the best possible buffer.
Although I suspect it is not as easy as we think.
At present the buffer he designed works well for me with the Sparkos or Bursons but some have found that they get a little hiss with the Sparkos and LM4562 because as I understand it higher efficiency speakers.
So he needs to uprate it to cover all of the initial op amps that can be used with higher efficiency speakers and then he needs to see if it will still work on numerous other op amps both inexpensive and expensive.
Quite a bit of work I think.
Now now, don't become soft on Boggit!
He's on a brake until May, thanks to Hypex.
He is just having fun at hi-fi shows now!
We (his customers) have to push him to work harder to perfect his buffer 🙂!
By the way, I would also like to see some credible (measured) specifications of the amp including the buffer with the offered opamps. Performance measurements too 😉!
It will be helpful in matching other components (source - speakers).
You have some excellent speakers, I assume that they are possibly slightly brighter than mine if you find the Bursons too forward and the Sparkos good although maybe its something else in the system.
Yes, Marten Bird 2 are very revealing speakers...but also excellent speakers.
Or we could use the standard Hypex one 🙂
Not sure that is really feasible. Not all of those opamps have the same specs. A circuit optimized for one might not work very well for another one - and do we want a "sort of OK on the average" compromise?
Yes agree this is the sort of problem that I mean. Probably best just to optimise it for a few.
By the way, I would also like to see some credible (measured) specifications of the amp including the buffer with the offered opamps. Performance measurements too 😉!
Oooh! Heretic! 😉
Probably best just to optimise it for a few.
I agree - maybe even just optimize it for one - the best. 🙂
I agree - maybe even just optimize it for one - the best. 🙂
Only problem is which one is best as I have said before I find the Burson best for me but others have found they prefer Sparkos
I wonder if Hypex would give up their discrete design schematic? Someone needs to X-Ray the nc400 board ;-)
I wonder if Hypex would give up their discrete design schematic? Someone needs to X-Ray the nc400 board ;-)
Isn't it based on the design Bruno has documented in Linear Audio?
Only problem is which one is best as I have said before I find the Burson best for me but others have found they prefer Sparkos
That's why there was a smiley at the end of my comment. 🙂
You have hit the basic problem with subjective evaluations - they are subject to individual taste. That is why I rely as much as possible on objective tests and strive for neutral transparency in my gear - any subjectively pleasant coloring is best added separately.
Isn't it based on the design Bruno has documented in Linear Audio?
Could you maybe put that link on here Sir Julf...and or any related schematics? I've started to read a bit about electronic symbols (still a Novice of course)!
Would be interested to see what he has done there 🙂
Thanks
Could you maybe put that link on here Sir Julf...and or any related schematics? I've started to read a bit about electronic symbols (still a Novice of course)!
Would be interested to see what he has done there 🙂
I think Linear Audio archives are only available on paper, but some of the more interesting stuff was also published in EDN (that used to be Electronics Design News).
The only Bruno article Linear Audio has online is the famous "The F-word", mandatory reading for anyone into nCores.
Anyway, if you look at who writes for Linear Audio you might want to buy all the back issues anyway 🙂
Only problem is which one is best as I have said before I find the Burson best for me but others have found they prefer Sparkos
Julf still hasn't caught on to the concept here.
Julf still hasn't caught on to the concept here.
The concept of subjective prefence of one opamp over another? Trust me, I get that all too well...
But since it is Low-Z, it requires a gain/buff stage capable of driving out at least 50-70mA for full scale poweramp output. The 994 easily meets this requirement whereas the LM4562 (also a high current out opamp relative to common types) will start to limit/clamp at 60mA i believe. This in and of itself is a very good reason to use the 994 in this application.
According to my quick modelling each op amp in the input buffer is not going to be called upon for more than 30mA even at absolute full power...
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