Can I translate in dog language ? 😉
(Btw : perfectly understood by a native english 33 pages before :
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/digital-line-level/280626-worlds-best-dacs-32.html#post4496569 )
(Btw : perfectly understood by a native english 33 pages before :
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/digital-line-level/280626-worlds-best-dacs-32.html#post4496569 )
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😀 This thread is funny as now Jean-Paul is himself between 4 lines creating a square or a rectangle ! Oh no, don'gt putt a bad dog into the sin bin cage with him...
Speaking about dog and hearings and Fletcher curves : did you understood why our dogs are very fried by bangers and firecrackers : just loud and high spl or does those "bangs" damage their ears ??? Like ours with bad dacs ? Mine jump in the empty bathtube during the firecrackers (and of course I can imagine the answer from here : yes of course he is already clean !)...
PS : Jon, may you please for a better understanding about psychoacoustic and psychanelists of dacs, putt please the audition of the DACMagic from Cambridge as a good budget dac to have a point of reference and explain how you find it subjectivly ? How many steps below according your chart with the top dacs you are listening to !?
Speaking about dog and hearings and Fletcher curves : did you understood why our dogs are very fried by bangers and firecrackers : just loud and high spl or does those "bangs" damage their ears ??? Like ours with bad dacs ? Mine jump in the empty bathtube during the firecrackers (and of course I can imagine the answer from here : yes of course he is already clean !)...
PS : Jon, may you please for a better understanding about psychoacoustic and psychanelists of dacs, putt please the audition of the DACMagic from Cambridge as a good budget dac to have a point of reference and explain how you find it subjectivly ? How many steps below according your chart with the top dacs you are listening to !?
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I though with you someone else draws the 4 lines and gets offended when you tell them you haven't got enough space 😛
My dog refused to be involved in my hobby, in fact he says ''WOOF'' which, i think, is very clear.
Maybe i can sweeten the deal with a bone. Or buy a cat.
That is my best effort so far to describe (subjectively, obviously...) the best DACs i had in my system so far:
Weiss DAC1 mk3
Résolution/Micro-dynamique : 9.2/10
Feeling 3D & Largeur : 9.5/10
Dynamique : 8.8/10
Timbre/Équilibre : 9.3/10
Organique/Decay : 9.4/10
Forssell MADA-2a
Résolution/Micro-dynamique : 9.6/10
Feeling 3D & Largeur : 9.2/10
Dynamique : 9.3/10
Timbre/Équilibre : 8.8/10
Organique/Decay : 9.2/10
dCS Debussy
Résolution/Micro-dynamique : 8.7/10
Feeling 3D & Largeur : 8.5/10
Dynamique : 8.2/10
Timbre/Équilibre : 8.9/10
Organique/Decay : 8.6/10
Gustard X20
Résolution/Micro-dynamique : 8.9/10
Feeling 3D & Largeur : 8.3/10
Dynamique : 8.8/10
Timbre/Équilibre : 8.5/10
Organique/Decay : 8.1/10
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That is a copy-paste from audioatrium (a french forum) and before making any translation mistake on that sensitive subject, feel free to help as i don't trust Google translate!
Weiss DAC1 mk3
Résolution/Micro-dynamique : 9.2/10
Feeling 3D & Largeur : 9.5/10
Dynamique : 8.8/10
Timbre/Équilibre : 9.3/10
Organique/Decay : 9.4/10
Forssell MADA-2a
Résolution/Micro-dynamique : 9.6/10
Feeling 3D & Largeur : 9.2/10
Dynamique : 9.3/10
Timbre/Équilibre : 8.8/10
Organique/Decay : 9.2/10
dCS Debussy
Résolution/Micro-dynamique : 8.7/10
Feeling 3D & Largeur : 8.5/10
Dynamique : 8.2/10
Timbre/Équilibre : 8.9/10
Organique/Decay : 8.6/10
Gustard X20
Résolution/Micro-dynamique : 8.9/10
Feeling 3D & Largeur : 8.3/10
Dynamique : 8.8/10
Timbre/Équilibre : 8.5/10
Organique/Decay : 8.1/10
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That is a copy-paste from audioatrium (a french forum) and before making any translation mistake on that sensitive subject, feel free to help as i don't trust Google translate!
is ''Timbre'' = Timbre as well ? Or it's not exactly the same meaning ?
''feeling 3D'' is an easy one, eh ? And ''largeur'' i think we can translate by ''width'' but not sure it's exactly what i want to express.
''feeling 3D'' is an easy one, eh ? And ''largeur'' i think we can translate by ''width'' but not sure it's exactly what i want to express.
I believed it was "timber" before learning it was for the trees not the music ! Or I guess we can keep "timber" if the dac sounds like if a tree falled on it !
For me when I have good timbre it has to see with : good timing, good tonal balance, good heigth (of the notes)....
With a good timbre you receive right in the ears the postcard the musicians wanted write to you !
Really don't want to listen a 250 euros Dac Magic from Candbridge ? To scale as a starting reference in relation to money/SQ ?
(PS : if the cat says "Tweet", putt it on an horizontal sub-woof with a Qtc of 1.0 as a trampoline !)
For me when I have good timbre it has to see with : good timing, good tonal balance, good heigth (of the notes)....
With a good timbre you receive right in the ears the postcard the musicians wanted write to you !
Really don't want to listen a 250 euros Dac Magic from Candbridge ? To scale as a starting reference in relation to money/SQ ?
(PS : if the cat says "Tweet", putt it on an horizontal sub-woof with a Qtc of 1.0 as a trampoline !)
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I understnd that difference between miniDSP and Weiss DAC1 mk3 is just huge , would you still say that taking into account little poorer score from gustard x20 till make a huge diference between miniDSP and X20? if you hadnt heard Weiss DAC1 mk3 and Forssell MADA-2a do you think you still would have this WOW feeling after hearing x20 - comparing to minidsp?🙂
I think the most important thing about giving scores is to keep in mind the ''6/10'' or ''60%'' or ''3 stars out of 5'' barrier between something ''OK'' and something that is less acceptable.
I sure don't want to give scores as the Wine critics are doing (i.e. 86/100 for an ordinary wine and 93/100 for a very impressive one...) They obviously doing that because they don't want to make anyone angry in the industry 🙄
In the absolute, there is probably only very poorly designed (and rare) DAC that are as bad as a cheap wine can be bad (read: undrinkable)... I'd say even a iPhone internal DAC is somewhat acceptable, even though i'd give maybe 2 or 3 out of 10...
But we're not here for the cheap/ordinary stuff, right ? So let's assume nobody's here want to drink 3$ Australian bottles...
The miniDSP 4x10HD internal DAC is not impressive. It's not a 3$ shiraz, but it's not impressive.
Regardless of the price, i consider the Gustard X20 to be among the best tested so far. No perfect but very good. I sure would be able to live with it. Would i pay 4x or 5x times the price to get a Forssell ? Maybe, yes.
Pretty much like i'd pay twice the price of a base Porsche 911 to get the GT3RS version.
anyway, i just received my miniDSP nanoDIGI and i can't wait to make the switch (from my 4x10HD) and try DACs on my Volt midbass and 10w7's...
I might be one of the very few on this forum to go on the ''active + multi-DACs'' path, but i clearly see potential by doing so (mix & match)
I might be one of the very few on this forum to go on the ''active + multi-DACs'' path, but i clearly see potential by doing so (mix & match)
I loved this one a friend tried at home The IfI Nano: this little nano is Lord with a good bargain for the price (180 euros here) ! I advised it when someone with low money asked for a budget DAC instead to beginn a diy if the money is the first choice on the list : difficult if no equipment to do better with a diy dac for the same money) ! 🙂 ! I surmise the dac magic to be bettter as a basic first price, but it is 35% more expensive !
Now you have to ask to your country fellows to try their best diy dacs to be ranked against your list (but if your goal is to be distributor of ready build devices (=brands !).
Now you have to ask to your country fellows to try their best diy dacs to be ranked against your list (but if your goal is to be distributor of ready build devices (=brands !).
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Yes, yes I made a mistake on the word Nano ! I read too fastly ! Btw I'm interested by the NanoDigi as a I2S multi dacs feeder ! (for active system)
After 456 posts, regarding DACs and Sy warning I don't need a DAC I never-the-less went out and bought an AudioNote 5. Now that I had it I must agree with SY, I don't quite know what to do with it......
I connected the SPDIF output of an older generation Rotel RCD975 drive to it and I did not fall off my chair. My wife fell of hers when she heard how much I spent on nothing..... So at least one of us had the enjoyment of being blown away.
I think it will join the junk on eBay, was not worth the effort. Sorry SY, I should just have listened to you and let it be.
I connected the SPDIF output of an older generation Rotel RCD975 drive to it and I did not fall off my chair. My wife fell of hers when she heard how much I spent on nothing..... So at least one of us had the enjoyment of being blown away.
I think it will join the junk on eBay, was not worth the effort. Sorry SY, I should just have listened to you and let it be.
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Dam, if you asked to me, I would had say to you just to buy a soundcard (Asus : 350 euros at the corner PC store) and a Ifinano Dac (180 euros) for few money !
Well if you don't need a sound card for your pc because active filtering for speakers, there are good enough Dacs without risking the wife throw you in the bush with your lovely cat (I should say I like the picture of the avatar because it looks like Taz the daemon from Tasmania 😀 )
- Subbu Dac (Subbu & Jean-Paul from Diyaudio; ESS 9023) (Spidf coax only) : less than 150 euros finished and working
- Aya 2 2014 (Audial/P. Rogic DIY kit or already populated : cheap and good if you have a TDA1541A chip for the first kit or not with the populated kit) spidf + usb + uf-l I2S plugs : less than 300 euros finished and working !
- DDD DAC ( PCM1794 chip) + Wave I/O for USB/SPIDF input ! more expensive and price is moving with options.
- Maybe Soekris Dam DAC if you enjoy long winter for tweaking and learn digital filtering, hard electronics hack & mods (but the work is already made thanks the passion of good members here : incredible common work : Bravo les gars, it's great (= Good job guys !) )
Did you finally find the Asus soundcard sounding better than the expensive AD1865 Audio Note 5 ? Or just wanting to say you use EQ from your computer now to make your combo DAC-speaker sounding as you want ? Can swap the Lynx of SY with your Audio Note, he knows one tip or two about tubes !
There are only solutions.... and cheap 🙂 ; rest is another SIxMoons review.... (as far as it's not ABX with many members testimonials).
I can see the next thread from my chair : "How I use the sound chip of my PC mother board with DRC for a better result than a 20k USD dacs" : Hey why not, we are here to move frontiers... sky is the limit (also foolness, but it's a different story)
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That was based on a poorly designed experiment with poor statistical analysis that hasn't been properly replicated in the almost 2 decades since it was first "published".
Oh ... and it was from a social scientist that has an ... unorthodox theory that he is trying to push. STILL!
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