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I'm not sure if you are being serious or not but in case you are; the VERY last hi fi designer you would accuse of such tactics is JW. Bullsh*t / hype is anathema to him. A very rare quality in this game.

Well if he is saying 'Vinyl is higher quality than Digital but I'm fixing that' he is way deep in the hype and BS. If you misquoted him then I maligned him. If in fact he said 'I enjoy vinyl more than digital' that's just an opinion and good on him.
 
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the digital master for LP sourced to the cutter is way different from the digital master intended to played back digitally for the same project

From what I've read most masterings seem to use the same files. At least that's what I gathered from the reviews

maybe confused over the meaning of "master"?

a project may start in digital, often many mic feeds, lots of editing, signal processing, painting on any "soundstage", instrument placement to give a "master"

from there a 2 channel "master" that can simply go out to the online store at native res or get decimated and dithered to 16/44 to be sent to a CD pressing plant can be "the same"

but to cut vinyl Stereo LP the bass has to be remixed to mono at the lowest frequencies to avoid over cutting
likely the highs need re-eq and/or compression reworked to keep the needle in the groove since tracking limits keep vinyl from being able to reproduce highs at full amplitude

dynamic range compression may actually be reduced on the vinyl master compared to "Loudness War" mastered digital releases - as a "cultural" choice


so yes the vinyl cutting source is, has to be differently processed from the CD or digital file of the exact same performance/album

some have even found mastering differences between the SACD and CD layers of a hybrid discs by some companies - beyond just the decimation and dither
 
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Well if he is saying 'Vinyl is higher quality than Digital but I'm fixing that' he is way deep in the hype and BS. If you misquoted him then I maligned him. If in fact he said 'I enjoy vinyl more than digital' that's just an opinion and good on him.

No I didn't misquote him you imported something into what I said that wasn't there 😀
He is saying that vinyl SQ is superior to digital in his opinion, including his own digital designs. He aspires to make his new DAC as good as vinyl, but he is absolutely NOT saying it's going to be . . . In fact if you asked him point blank then I suspect he would say that it is not currently possible for anyone to fulfill that aspiration.
 
yeah right. I love playing my records but have yet to find a single parameter in which its higher quality than digital. Enjoyment of the media and associated ritual is NOT SQ, and anyone who claims their new DAC 'sounds like vinyl' is more likely than not producing something with colourations. For example the Lampizator range.

if you want your digital to sound like vinyl fine. Personally I prefer to try and get my vinyl to sound close to digital. I like neutral as the baseline, but have no problem with those who like coloured, only those who say its 'better'.
 
There are those who still pursue 'high fidelity' and those that pursue 'nice sound'. As long as people admit which camp they are in then there is no need to argue. We all enjoy music and no animals are harmed in the making of the music 🙂

aside: the nice sound camp often accuse the 'high fidelity' camp of only worrying about measurements. I have not see any examples of this on the forum so that strawman is burned down.
 
to the op, if you really love forssell mada and plan on buying them, you must audition Dangerous Music convert 2.

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/hig...a-2a-antelope-eclipse-386-a.html#post11454934

''yes the AD of the Pure 2 has a bit more transient than the AD of the Forssell, but there are close
also the DA of the new Dangerous convert 2 is really better than the DA of the Forssell. Convert 2 and convert 8 are amazing new DA....
I'm sure Fred Forssell will make something new... because of these new converters''
 
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Re vinyl vs digital, renowned DAC designer John Westlake freely admits that digital SQ is inferior to vinyl. Speaking of JW, within the next six to nine months he will be releasing his assault on the SOTA DAC (the FDAC). Given JW's level of knowledge and experience, it is going to be something very very special, especially once a series of subsequent firmware updates are implemented to shift much of the key processing to the FPGA. Unfortunately you can't buy one because the initial limited production run have all been pre-sold to the crowd who have funded it. I'm one of the lucky ones.

This is just not true, some audiophiles need to get their heads out of the sand and face reality, sorry but that is a fact....
 
This is just not true, some audiophiles need to get their heads out of the sand and face reality, sorry but that is a fact....

Notice he didn't say analog but vinyl. I'm sure someone out there has the savvy to program a DSP to add all the degradations to a music track. You should be able to model a cart bouncing around at 10Hz or so on top of a little .55Hz rotational wow, then add the appropriate mis-tracking computed from your favorite cart. Just skip the surface noise and pops.
 
i should ask my dog to do it.

What a great idea why hasn't anyone trained their dog to do DBT, no agenda or expectation bias except they really that treat all the time.

Dog
Hearing Frequency: 45-67,000 Hz

Fun Fact: A dog's hearing is incredibly sensitive and acute. Because of its hearing frequency, canines respond better to higher pitches, and they can differentiate between your footsteps and the footsteps of a stranger. Dogs can also tell when you're home long before you walk in the door.
 
Believing should be done in church (local saying)....

So lossy is preferred to high res lossless ? Since most of the original signal has been thrown away anyway it seems a waste of time to use better DACs then.

what i meant is:

I never had any proof of differences audibility, despite a big blind test we organized few years back.

... and i think the Lossless/Hirez/lossy topic as very little to do with DACs performance.

A good DAC will perform better EVEN on a highly compressed MP3. It's not AT ALL a case of ''you do that for nothing because you have shitty music files''