What's an acceptable number before I don't have to hang my head in shame over using and recommending a system with no interconnection issues, vanishingly low distortion and noise, and fantastically flat frequency response?
SY is generally deadly serious. Why should a Pro soundcard not outperform some boutique bling where the case cost more than thet components in it? Or do you simply 'believe' it cannot be as good?
it depends which pro soundcard but most cannot be compared to external dac.
I used to have a rme fireface: wasnt very good at all.
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In what sense not good?* And which model, they've done at least 6 with the name fireface!
* more air or wider soundstage is not a valid answer to this question.
rme fireface 400.
not even close to a buffalo dac. Details, transient, dynamics, ect. better at everything.
then my sd player from ecdesigns is much better then buffalo. comparing the RME to ecdesigns is very obvious why a soundcard is very compromised design.
the sd player by ecdesign come very close to analog. Its basically at the level of my analog playback,
But SY is using analog playback most of the time, no?
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No experience with an RME Fireface. Perhaps you can share your experience doing ears-only testing of something like an M-Audio PCI card versus a well-engineered external DAC.
No.
No.
I dont have a m-audio PCI.
just last week, one of my friend got a cheap HRT music streamer 2. he used to use his onboard PC soundcard. he is blown away by the difference between the cheap external HRT dac and his pc soundcard.
im still waiting for my mosaic 16T 🙂.
I talk to hans satink who replaced his sd player with the new mosaic and he told me:
''Yes, it is far better then the SDplayer. You will hear truly all 16 bits and the noise/distortion level is unmeasureable.''
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Well the fireface IS an external DAC. So I think he means ' I tried a multichannel pro recording box and my belief system didn't let me think it was good'. I mean how can 8A/D channels in and 8 D/A out with a (horror) variable frequency clock be any good. 🙂
So, the pack is trying to argue to set a thruth?
Show the numbers please as what these DACs can accomplish is beyond hearing. Please no DAC chip manufacturers happy tables but only what third party or yerself have managed to measure. Screenshots of course is what matters - 10hz to 100khz loopback to whatever mic input you have on yer computer. Software to be decided as I don't have the deeper knowledge needed to be counted into this decision - stated elsewhere.
The rest is about "I bought this - I hope everyone else thinks it was a good deal... Otherwise I bet on the wrong horse."
Regards
Show the numbers please as what these DACs can accomplish is beyond hearing. Please no DAC chip manufacturers happy tables but only what third party or yerself have managed to measure. Screenshots of course is what matters - 10hz to 100khz loopback to whatever mic input you have on yer computer. Software to be decided as I don't have the deeper knowledge needed to be counted into this decision - stated elsewhere.
The rest is about "I bought this - I hope everyone else thinks it was a good deal... Otherwise I bet on the wrong horse."
Regards
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yes, the pci m audio from SY is much better 😛
so, now moderators do not believe in the audibility of dacs.
again, I wonder how many external dac you have tried SY in your system?
because to be able to claim such, ime, non sense about dac, i sure do hope that you have tried many dacs, for many days, in your system in order to come to a conclusion that your soundcard is has good as anything and claim this as fact.
SY, can you state which dac you have compared? how did you do the test? I'm very interested.
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What number is acceptable? I asked this before and didn't get an answer.
Really? Who said that?
Really? Who said that?
I'm not sure the level of noise is significant ! What about the Tubed DACs ? some are good enough about détails and non fatiguing ! H2 ?
Bit Depth & dynamic gap ? Count yours stones : mine are mostly Red book !
Bit Depth & dynamic gap ? Count yours stones : mine are mostly Red book !
Depends on the noise and its distribution. But it's certainly measurable, especially for a 16 bit system. Claiming otherwise is ludicrous.
I don't know of any tubed DACs. DACs with tubed output stage yes. Their performance would depend on quality of execution (just like everything)
dave
Most revealing set-up (on DAC's differences) are my RAAL 210-10D tweeters so far... It's pretty much day & night when i switch from one to another: and by that i mean i would be confident to bet some bucks in a blind test, which doesnt happen that much 😀
Of course i could try my Voxativ AC-1.6 in fullrange mode, maybe that could help... But i don't have the enclosure to go very low.
This is a very bad way to come to conclusions.
The only thing you need to prove is that a specific piece of equipment is transparent, in the sense that in controlled listening tests, it is impossible to differentiate between in- or exclusion of the device.
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