World's Best DAC's

Yes sure, I can hear difference between FLAC and MP3 even 320 kbds.

My bad, when I talked about decoding I was just talking about reading the codec (and not about conversion) in the context of what do the core dac board in a pc and what do the dac chip. If one can hear a difference between two lossless, the original : the dac has a problem !

When you talk about compression, do you mean the ratio of compression . I'm all flac level 8 !

The only thing which can worrie me with digital is to loose sector on an old disk ! I don't know if it's possible to link a checksum to further verification ! But I believe just a major problem can be heard.

Some also upsample their reccording and have two Library : the genuine one and the upsampled for the NOS DAC ! I'm not sure even one personn can hear difference between 96 K Hz or 192 ...384, etc ! an other story !
 
Jay 'bit-perfect" is marketing hype. If the DAC misses a few bits input stream, no matter how perfect the bits are the output is hash.

I'm a programmer (almost 20 years), so "bit-perfect" is not a hype for me. It is what make a computer possible. It is not as complicated as you seem to think it is.

If anyone says that jitter is overcome with reclocking and what not, I do not believe this either because the jitter may then be caused by the design and quality of the output clock.

Of course, reclocking can solve some jitter issues and that there are others that cannot be solved. Clock is about precision and nothing is 100% precise, including your watches.
 
Abrax, what makes you feel this is better than the AK4490 DAC (well < 80 USD) I referred to earlier http://www.ebay.com/itm/252056604514?

It is old versus new technology, and certainly looking at specs, evolution has gone in the direction of incremental progress towards better performing parts.
I've never heard an AK-based DAC. However, the tda1387 8x DAC Abrax mentioned is to me the "world's best". Not that I've ever heard any of the mega-buck DACs listed in this thread, but I've gone up to the $500ish (USD) level in off the shelf DACs, and the tda1387 (modded) bests them all. It could be just my ears, but there are similar positive comments in the thread, and also in some PMs I've received. It could also be limitations and/or synergy of the rest of my system, or good old DIY bias ("I changed something, so it must be better"). It could also be NOS vs SD.

I'm willing to concede to any of those, but at the end of the day, I simply enjoy music more when it's coming from the tda1387. It's under $200 USD fully modded, so high on value if nothing else.
 
Agreed - it means the designer focussed so hard on this one measure other important aspects are almost certain to have been missed. As a designer myself the resource that always limits a design is the designer's attention. Over-attending to one area to me means lack of attention elsewhere which sets off the alarm bells.

Besides that there's Goodhart's Law - 'When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure.'

<afterthought> The Mola Mola DAC is perhaps the one with the greatest attention to THD+N. On his blog, Bruno spoke about optimizing those figures far beyond other competing designs 'as a matter of pride'. So the question is - how does it sound?

Yeah, because minimizing non-linearity is a bad thing 🙄.

Perhaps you can give examples of DAC products with vanishingly low THD+N that suffer greatly in other measurable areas.
 
If it gets to low, you have to ask how they got there. When the low THD distortion races started in the 70s, there was largely an inverse relation between low distortion & sound quality -- the lower the THD the worse things sounded.

dave

This is commonly brought up but never explained. What caused the poor sound in the 70s? I seem to see several Stereophile Class A rated products using tons of negative feedback to lower THD to very low levels...
 
What caused the poor sound in the 70s? I seem to see several Stereophile Class A rated products using tons of negative feedback to lower THD to very low levels...

One needs to take Stereophile with a grain of salt.

You seem to be saying it was high amounts of NFB. Probably. But there is a BIG difference between a mediocre amplifier with lots of NFB used to get a low 1kHz THD number for a spec sheet, and a well designed amplifier with good open-loop performance and then NFB wrapped around it.

I have heard some very good amplifiers with lots of feedback, and some very good ones with little to none. And i could repeat that same sentence with "bad" replaceing "good" and it would be equally true.

Execution is very important, THD is not, and can be quite misleading because it is a collapsed number that hides all the important stuff.

dave

dave
 
What measurable parameters of a DAC can get worse by chasing lower THD+N?

Since you mention Bruno's Mola-Mola DAC I would be curious as to what would make you suspicious about its sound because of its exceptional measurements.
 
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