Come off it John.
Add a wink i.e a 😉 at the end of your post and we'll give you a pass on that one
Add a wink i.e a 😉 at the end of your post and we'll give you a pass on that one
If I remember well, Dolby (A = pro) was not so bad in itself, but the Dolby units get awry constantly. Need to be tuned everyday. And, as it was a multi-band system, this affected the tonal response of little signals.Dolby? We tried it, no way. Burwen? A joke with rock material. DBX, not too bad
DBX was violent, and, this time the slightest non linearity of the recorder in record/playback (levels and response curves errors was multiplied). With DBX, it was more the dynamic to be affected, and, as I am sensible to this, i dunno liked-it.
At the beginning, like most of us, I was very happy with the noise reduction. With time, I preferred more noise and more "natural" musical instruments... without those artifacts.
Agree ?
After this, we tried 76cm/s, with the problems in the basses you know... Then Digital arrived: Thanks, Lord !
(Burwen ? you teased my curiosity, never heard about this)
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When it comes to perfect fidelity, you guys aren't even on the same planet as hi end audio engineers.
You mean like the guy who designed the LIO modules that the reviewer chimp from Stereophile was raving about? Yeah, I'd agree, most of us aren't on the same planet. Our designs are actually competent.
Not all equipment reviewed by Hi-End mags are high end. Just how many high-end audio products are there anyway? Certainly not enough to fill a years worth of magazine issues.
-RNM
-RNM
Well I just got my 30 seconds of semi-fame. A local TV interview on the noise level in the local ballpark. Actual clips were ok but they got a few facts wrong. Biggie was listing it as one of my sound systems. It is not and it just doesn't work the way it should. Ah well they pronounced my name correctly.
Add a wink
Careful, Mr. Russell, regular winks can easily turn into a twitch.
Mine is a reasonable starting point. 😀
Certainly from outside looking in. Until you realise you are paying for some of the soul of the designer, lovingly distilled and installed in every unit.
high end price yes but what about a high end performance starting point? Now that is much harder to quantify in an off hand way.Mine is a reasonable starting point. 😀
🙄
Hi jcx,
-Chris
We were told a rather higher figure, but back then even your numbers exceeded a CD player's performance. I'll believe what is in the Studer mag."The usable dynamic range obtainable with SR is 90 to 95 dB depending or tape speed, tape speed and operating level"
-Chris
still don't get perceptual noise shaped dither numbers? - hint its not 93 dB flat tpdf # - by 20 dB or more
I've only posted the iZotope Dither chapter link 3 times in this thread already
I've only posted the iZotope Dither chapter link 3 times in this thread already
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Tape deck noise was spec'd referenced to 0VU, with some headroom on top; digital S/N is spec'd referenced to digital clipping. It's kinda apples and oranges. I don't miss tape decks, though I still have an A700 gathering dust. Too fragile to Ebay.
All good fortune,
Chris
All good fortune,
Chris
Hi dvv,
We discovered that the high frequency azimuth tape was way off spec. When we mentioned this to Nakamichi they told us that very few shops had discovered this problem. 🙂 So the azimuth should be set to a lower freq cal tape, or the Teac test tape. The proper mechanical alignment takes a little time because the tape path is very close to that of an open reel machine. No pressure pad (pushed back) and two capstan design that sets up the tape tension the same way a R-R does. Back tension should be around 12 gr / cm (I think) and take up tension is set to 50 gr/cm. The record, erase and playback heads are all completely adjustable in free space - just like a R-R.
It sounds as if the tape path was out mechanically and maybe electrically too. The tape head electronics was a proper low noise setup and they used a form of sendust head. Very low tape hiss and a clear, open sound is normal for a Nak in alignment. There is no way that machine was properly adjusted. That's too bad, because you missed out on an amazing machine. I have a BX-300 and a Dragon (rather have a 1000ZXL). I do know the auto-calibration works very well as long as the machine is in tolerance. When it isn't .. yuck by comparison. I also have a Teac V-800x that is hand tuned. It seems that the dolby C and dBx can't co-exist on that machine, so I picked dBx. It worked properly with a calibration that was normal. The Nak was also hand tuned (both by me) and the Nak is very clearly a better machine. I was a Teac believer until I finished my first Nakamichi calibration on a three head machine.
Both dBx and Dolby C amplify any differences between record and play calibration. They can both be very brutal if they aren't working properly.
Metal tapes!
That stuff is really abrasive. It's almost as bad as Memorex (real Chromium Dioxide !! more like lapping tape).
-Chris
The Nakamichi would have left the others in the dust had it been calibrated properly. Not the auto-cal. The factory tape is TDK SA-60, the Nakamichi tapes are center cut from SA and SAX tapes. Maxell will usually be about +5 dB at 10 KHz, so it wants a hotter bias level.So I lined up 5 decks of interest to me from Denon, Technics, Nakamichi and Sony, all 3 head machines.
We discovered that the high frequency azimuth tape was way off spec. When we mentioned this to Nakamichi they told us that very few shops had discovered this problem. 🙂 So the azimuth should be set to a lower freq cal tape, or the Teac test tape. The proper mechanical alignment takes a little time because the tape path is very close to that of an open reel machine. No pressure pad (pushed back) and two capstan design that sets up the tape tension the same way a R-R does. Back tension should be around 12 gr / cm (I think) and take up tension is set to 50 gr/cm. The record, erase and playback heads are all completely adjustable in free space - just like a R-R.
It sounds as if the tape path was out mechanically and maybe electrically too. The tape head electronics was a proper low noise setup and they used a form of sendust head. Very low tape hiss and a clear, open sound is normal for a Nak in alignment. There is no way that machine was properly adjusted. That's too bad, because you missed out on an amazing machine. I have a BX-300 and a Dragon (rather have a 1000ZXL). I do know the auto-calibration works very well as long as the machine is in tolerance. When it isn't .. yuck by comparison. I also have a Teac V-800x that is hand tuned. It seems that the dolby C and dBx can't co-exist on that machine, so I picked dBx. It worked properly with a calibration that was normal. The Nak was also hand tuned (both by me) and the Nak is very clearly a better machine. I was a Teac believer until I finished my first Nakamichi calibration on a three head machine.
Both dBx and Dolby C amplify any differences between record and play calibration. They can both be very brutal if they aren't working properly.
Metal tapes!

-Chris
Hi Chris,
That A-700 is a really nice machine. Did you get the rectifiers changed out for that one?
-Chris
That A-700 is a really nice machine. Did you get the rectifiers changed out for that one?
-Chris
That A-700 is a really nice machine. Did you get the rectifiers changed out for that one?
No; didn't even know there was an issue. Enlighten me. Please!
Thanks, as always,
Chris
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