Ahh , good to know that it took M$ from vista to win 8.1 to finally address
this issue.
2007 - 2013 ... 6 whole years of a doggy OS.
"Underworld types" solved this problem 8 years ago by releasing "fixed" OS's.
- Non updated , pre-patched (all the hotfixes) ... instead of 5 years of
constant updates. My W7.1 64 was installed 5/2010.
-It has never touched base with a microsoft server 😀 .
-never been infected or compromised (or grew beyond 3.2Gigs).
-Works like a toaster , never refused to run any 3rd party software.
My wife has a legal OEM 7.1 .... what a dog.She even has
a lean, clean SXS - still a dog.
If I did not have the option of my underworld W7 , I'd have Linux on my
box. I truly feel sorry for all those "genuine" windows users.
W10 was the topic - "software as a service" (SAAS) is even a bigger
racket about to be unleashed upon us.
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this issue.
2007 - 2013 ... 6 whole years of a doggy OS.
"Underworld types" solved this problem 8 years ago by releasing "fixed" OS's.
- Non updated , pre-patched (all the hotfixes) ... instead of 5 years of
constant updates. My W7.1 64 was installed 5/2010.
-It has never touched base with a microsoft server 😀 .
-never been infected or compromised (or grew beyond 3.2Gigs).
-Works like a toaster , never refused to run any 3rd party software.
My wife has a legal OEM 7.1 .... what a dog.She even has
a lean, clean SXS - still a dog.
If I did not have the option of my underworld W7 , I'd have Linux on my
box. I truly feel sorry for all those "genuine" windows users.
W10 was the topic - "software as a service" (SAAS) is even a bigger
racket about to be unleashed upon us.
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thats because you still use that HORRIBLE HORRIBLE HORRIBLE eudora Email & iscab browser...
Tried it, ditched it very quickly.. IMO i just didn't like it and it was crap..
mr pup, to paraphrase a popular tune:
So take it steady, whoa, let it go
Well, I'm just trying to tell you that's how you got canned before
There may be reasons beyond your personal vision for folks to stick with their favorites - hell, that's why they are. I do a limited amount of CAD work for some of my building projects, and use a now 20 yr program by AutoDesk that is so intuitive for me that I can draw faster with it than with pencil and paper - and forward DXF files to CNC production when necessary. Every new program I've briefly flirted with has far more features than I personally need, and much longer learning curves. I'd far rather build than learn new software with which to draw what I'm gonna build. This program still works like a charm running in XP in a virtual machine in W7, I can easily toggle between the two OS. Of course it's long since dropped off their supported product list, but is robust enough for my needs.
I realize that this thread is mostly regarding OS not specific applications, but I'm not so sure that the reasoning doesn't apply to both. I guess this is where you try to correct that opinion?
So take it steady, whoa, let it go
Well, I'm just trying to tell you that's how you got canned before
There may be reasons beyond your personal vision for folks to stick with their favorites - hell, that's why they are. I do a limited amount of CAD work for some of my building projects, and use a now 20 yr program by AutoDesk that is so intuitive for me that I can draw faster with it than with pencil and paper - and forward DXF files to CNC production when necessary. Every new program I've briefly flirted with has far more features than I personally need, and much longer learning curves. I'd far rather build than learn new software with which to draw what I'm gonna build. This program still works like a charm running in XP in a virtual machine in W7, I can easily toggle between the two OS. Of course it's long since dropped off their supported product list, but is robust enough for my needs.
I realize that this thread is mostly regarding OS not specific applications, but I'm not so sure that the reasoning doesn't apply to both. I guess this is where you try to correct that opinion?
Scams and "puffery"...
SY mentioned this term (puffery) - cool ! I use it regularly .
I suppose it means a "unrealistic/biased representation of value".
Starting with Vista and it's many flavors , what has changed in 7/8/10 ?
Some have actually purchased windows many times with each "revision".
What have they gotten ? Fancy icons , un-needed features , and a lighter
wallet.
Now with 10 , they want us transitioned to some funky payment plan.
I suppose this is revenue innovation. Yikes.
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SY mentioned this term (puffery) - cool ! I use it regularly .
I suppose it means a "unrealistic/biased representation of value".
Starting with Vista and it's many flavors , what has changed in 7/8/10 ?
Some have actually purchased windows many times with each "revision".
What have they gotten ? Fancy icons , un-needed features , and a lighter
wallet.
Now with 10 , they want us transitioned to some funky payment plan.
I suppose this is revenue innovation. Yikes.
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NO i got banned last time because i was making fun of dots painted on speakers and people claiming to hear a difference..
To each their own 🙂
That "shine" has turned brown, and is starting to smell funny.......
I would not "upgrade" any W7 system that works correctly and you are happy with. I have several. I never liked W8 or 8.1 so I "upgraded" my laptop. This is a 2 year old ASUS Core I7 laptop that came with W8.0. The only thing I have done to it is add more memory and upgrade to W8.1.
At first it appeared to work better since that menu bar that randomly slid in from the right to cover up half my screen was gone. I will not upgrade my other W8.1 machine until I see how the W10 issues are resolved.
Then the "critical errors" started. (see post#264) At first a critical error would occur forcing a restart without the option of saving my work. I lost about an hours worth of a PC board layout to this error. At least twice work I "saved" never made it to the hard drive because the error occurred when I clicked save. Once an existing file was corrupted because the machine locked up during the disk write. The "error" seems to block the ability to read or write to the disk. I can no longer us this machine for ANY work that I can not afford to LOSE!
Last week the "errors" started occurring much more frequently. Every power on required a restart due to the error, but I could now move the error box out of the way (it remains up front) and continue browsing the web or reading web mail. Saving, or opening and closing programs is gone because there is no start menu.
Yesterday I turned it on for the first time in several days. I used it for 2 hours without the evil "error". Could M$ have fixed it?????? Stay tuned.
I would not "upgrade" any W7 system that works correctly and you are happy with. I have several. I never liked W8 or 8.1 so I "upgraded" my laptop. This is a 2 year old ASUS Core I7 laptop that came with W8.0. The only thing I have done to it is add more memory and upgrade to W8.1.
At first it appeared to work better since that menu bar that randomly slid in from the right to cover up half my screen was gone. I will not upgrade my other W8.1 machine until I see how the W10 issues are resolved.
Then the "critical errors" started. (see post#264) At first a critical error would occur forcing a restart without the option of saving my work. I lost about an hours worth of a PC board layout to this error. At least twice work I "saved" never made it to the hard drive because the error occurred when I clicked save. Once an existing file was corrupted because the machine locked up during the disk write. The "error" seems to block the ability to read or write to the disk. I can no longer us this machine for ANY work that I can not afford to LOSE!
Last week the "errors" started occurring much more frequently. Every power on required a restart due to the error, but I could now move the error box out of the way (it remains up front) and continue browsing the web or reading web mail. Saving, or opening and closing programs is gone because there is no start menu.
Yesterday I turned it on for the first time in several days. I used it for 2 hours without the evil "error". Could M$ have fixed it?????? Stay tuned.
Personally I would do a clean install of W10. I can't see a reason why 2 year old hardware would have problems unless something got corrupted during the upgrade process.
Still not sold on this OS yet, but I've upgraded 4 machines so far without any problems, but I also did a clean install on all of them after activating the upgrade. One of them is a 7 year old laptop designed to be used with Vista.
Still not sold on this OS yet, but I've upgraded 4 machines so far without any problems, but I also did a clean install on all of them after activating the upgrade. One of them is a 7 year old laptop designed to be used with Vista.
Windows 10 has a much smaller footprint then Windows 7 or 8 so it runs much better on older machines, especially laptops with slower processors and hard drives. I've installed it on half a dozen different machines and it performs beautifully on all of them.
Any issues i have encountered were due to out dated drivers, or software installed on the machine prior to the upgrade. All of which i was able to resolve by updating or reinstalling said items. Of course all could have been avoided by a clean install.
I've also noticed a majority of complaints in this thread were in relation to glitches with software/configuration of there own PC, and not an issue with Windows 10 itself per say. Again a fresh clean install would sort out all ills. Looking at you tubelab 😛
Any issues i have encountered were due to out dated drivers, or software installed on the machine prior to the upgrade. All of which i was able to resolve by updating or reinstalling said items. Of course all could have been avoided by a clean install.
I've also noticed a majority of complaints in this thread were in relation to glitches with software/configuration of there own PC, and not an issue with Windows 10 itself per say. Again a fresh clean install would sort out all ills. Looking at you tubelab 😛
That's what I would have thought to but my Dell Vostro (Core i5, 3yr old laptop) will not run W10 in any usable form either as a clean install or as an upgrade install. So it doesn't always follow that recent hardware will run the latest OS. My almost 9yr old Acer laptop (geez, I can't believe its that old) runs W10 just fine if I want it to, but I like Vista better given the choice of 10 vs Vista.
W8.1 on the Dell is a real flyer and I would take 8.1 over 7 anytime.
I tried an upgrade install over my W8.1 image, for curiosity as much as anything. Nearly 8 hours to 'upgrade' running the install from a USB stick. When it was finally done everything was pretty much unusable even after a few reboots. Taking up to a minute to open any file, or to do anything really. Fan running at 100% all the time, HDD light constantly lit.
A clean install on a freshly wiped drive blue screened at the final install stages.
I've not pursued the problems because I like 8.1 so much, and having seen the direction W10 is heading only reinforces that viewpoint. One snippet of information though, the Dell support site now lists models that have been tested with W10 and my Vostro does not make the list despite being what I would call a 'newish' PC.
A clean install on a freshly wiped drive blue screened at the final install stages.
I've not pursued the problems because I like 8.1 so much, and having seen the direction W10 is heading only reinforces that viewpoint. One snippet of information though, the Dell support site now lists models that have been tested with W10 and my Vostro does not make the list despite being what I would call a 'newish' PC.
The machine worked fine for the first few weeks after the upgrade. My guess is that MS trashed something, a driver maybe, during one of their updates. The track pad driver has been updated twice since the upgrade. I believe the video driver has been updated too.
I made a 64 bit clean install CD when MS kept hounding me to upgrade this fine running W7 desktop (fat chance). It does look like a total flush and reinstall of some OS on the laptop is in order.
I am waiting for 3 things, Newegg to run a sale on s name brand 500GB or 1TB SSD, me to have enough cash to buy it, and enough time to rip that machine completely apart to fix the issue with the track pad. That will require motherboard removal.
If the machine pi$$es me off enough before I find a deal on an SSD, I already have a 2TB Samsung spinning metal wheel. If I tear down the machine, it will get a disk upgrade, so a clean install is a no - brainer.
If I get that far, then the issue will be W7 or W10. If I had to make that choice today it would be W7.
Schedule restarts..win 10..
How to Schedule Restarts for Updates in Windows 10
Not of interest to Cmpt Hackers but any newbies might find it useful.
Just for interest..sometimes the log in screen doesn't give you a log in page its just the usual CTRL/ALT/DELETE and it appears..the other thing is after reboot if you can't sign in the NUM LOCK is probably turned off..😀
NB I have never done a clean install..correction I used to do it all the time and had more problems..I partition with Gparted..and format to Linux Ext2/3 and back to NTFS before use..I,m just not a trusting type..😀 First install is Antivirus..😀 first internet connection is antivirus update..
Regards
M. Gregg
How to Schedule Restarts for Updates in Windows 10
Not of interest to Cmpt Hackers but any newbies might find it useful.
Just for interest..sometimes the log in screen doesn't give you a log in page its just the usual CTRL/ALT/DELETE and it appears..the other thing is after reboot if you can't sign in the NUM LOCK is probably turned off..😀
NB I have never done a clean install..correction I used to do it all the time and had more problems..I partition with Gparted..and format to Linux Ext2/3 and back to NTFS before use..I,m just not a trusting type..😀 First install is Antivirus..😀 first internet connection is antivirus update..
Regards
M. Gregg
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My lack of trust,
Probably comes from my first experience with the world wide web..
it might have been in the days of windows 95. My pc miraculously started booting on its own and little packmen appeared walking across the bios screen at boot up. The PC supplier at the time had to change the mother board because the bios had been flashed..even to this day I don't know how it happened unless it was done at a reboot or restart with no option boxes or anything else..then he had to change the hard drive because a disk scan had been scheduled and marked all sectors as bad.
It was a long time ago and I had antivirus on the PC..but you learn..😀 NB no non trusted sites either..and this happened.
LMAO anyone remember Xtree gold.Bat ..😀 Netscape navigator..😀 <<<that was also cutting edge..😀
I guess it was one step away from Turing and Colossus..
NB my wife doesn't like PC's she thinks they were invented to keep the unemployed off the street..😀 typical comment just think of all the other stuff you could be doing instead of bashing away at that thing..😀 So I bought her a tablet,,
Just a reflection.
Regards
M. Gregg
Probably comes from my first experience with the world wide web..
it might have been in the days of windows 95. My pc miraculously started booting on its own and little packmen appeared walking across the bios screen at boot up. The PC supplier at the time had to change the mother board because the bios had been flashed..even to this day I don't know how it happened unless it was done at a reboot or restart with no option boxes or anything else..then he had to change the hard drive because a disk scan had been scheduled and marked all sectors as bad.
It was a long time ago and I had antivirus on the PC..but you learn..😀 NB no non trusted sites either..and this happened.
LMAO anyone remember Xtree gold.Bat ..😀 Netscape navigator..😀 <<<that was also cutting edge..😀
I guess it was one step away from Turing and Colossus..
NB my wife doesn't like PC's she thinks they were invented to keep the unemployed off the street..😀 typical comment just think of all the other stuff you could be doing instead of bashing away at that thing..😀 So I bought her a tablet,,
Just a reflection.
Regards
M. Gregg
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If I were using a 3rd party security suite then installing that would be my last on the 'to do' list. Why ? Because I would ensure I had a clean disk image of 'just Windows' plus updates to use as a future recovery point should I wish to do another clean install at some point. Security software buries itself so deep in the OS that proper removal is problematic, even with official tools. Apart from Windows Update I would not normally connect to the web at large until the fully updated state was reached.
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