What is the Universe expanding into..

Do you think there was anything before the big bang?

  • I don't think there was anything before the Big Bang

    Votes: 56 12.5%
  • I think something existed before the Big Bang

    Votes: 200 44.7%
  • I don't think the big bang happened

    Votes: 54 12.1%
  • I think the universe is part of a mutiverse

    Votes: 201 45.0%

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Just a thought,

If and its a big if, there could be infinite repeating patterns that create identical earths and people and things...then theoretically you can't die or cease to exist because there are infinite other "you". The question would be what is mind in this situation is it identical minds of individuals or the same mind living in other "copies" of you? (the fractal)

I find this idea a bit nuts and difficult to accept..so its probably wrong..😕 However that would mean that like the Russian doll outside the last one is another infinity and its not a copy of this one..That is even stranger because the particles would have to be different so they don't repeat..(not the standard model ) Where would that put Physics? Everything we know is based on "reality"<<<?

Different infinities = different realities?

The only other is there aren't an infinite number of particles, the universe is finite and then beyond is an infinity of nothing?
Even so the universe is big enough for many copies of everything..how many times can you rearrange what is in the universe without copying the same thing?
If there were an infinity of universes would there be a limit to the number or is this universe yet another copy?
Without infinite particles...there is or isn't scope for infinite variation..The fractal (universe) or different fractals (multiverse)

Regards
M. Gregg
 
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You can't trust quarks; they make up everything!

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I found this interesting,

BBC - Earth - What is a ray of light made of?

Its sort of a recap when you get past the double slit part which is getting a little tedious now..🙂 (particle wave duality)

What is light and what is a magnetic field all the same as we now understand them..

It would seem the universe is a flash in the dark..😀
The fun comment made me reflect..why does light seem to represent energy but dark doesn't then again perhaps its the new discovery "Dark energy" that has shown the whole human race biased towards the light? I don't see the phrase "let there be dark and there was dark" anywhere..probably because we are afraid of the dark? In history Evil is dark..light is good..wonder why? Its interesting that in mysticism the two are bound together how can you have a shadow without light etc. Its represented over and over in many ways (yin/yang) how strange it all is..is everything going to become the battle of forces between light and dark.
Both of these seem to be energy based..The more I look at this the more weird it seems..we accept we exist because its all we know, we understand what it means to exist (we think) however what does it mean to not exist?

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M. Gregg
 
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I watched this yet again...

Yes three times now..
BBC Horizon 2011 What is Reality HDTV - Video Dailymotion

The part that interested me is the conservation of information.
Also the part about the change in the double slit experiment.
The idea of observation changing the outcome and the impact of what this might mean.

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M. Gregg
Lights fascinating stuff.
Practically infinite speed, zero acceleration from creation to top speed, infinite wavelengths, duality of nature (particle and wave), susceptible to willpower (if observed), nearly like a stray thought, eh?
Where does it come from?
Where does it go?
Is it an unchanged part of a Big Bang ?
Would this make it the tiniest building part of reality?
Does it react to the presence of thought (an observer) because its nature is the same as thought?

I assume it can be reconstituted after the refraction of passing through a prism, or gravity well, too, without loss of information.

Yup. Fascinating stuff.
 
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Very interesting,

😀 however when you zoom out the universe in both instances is shown somewhere...ie a place to exist..the infinity. Which is probably more interesting than the universe itself. The observable universe 4% + .03% of living stuff..To quote Micho Kaku>>The universe is made of atoms ..wrong 😀 (Only 4.03 %)
So it would seem we are special..The oddball. It would seem life is very rare..unless there is something in the dark matter/dark energy.

Even if the universe is sort of existing "Floating" in a sea of dark energy what does that say about reality? Ie 73% is shown as dark energy the prevalent majority which could be the everything of existence. (we / everything exist in dark energy) <<the creator of dimensions? (The nothing that's something)

Or does the dark energy exist in something else...If we look at cause and effect what is that saying about reality?

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M. Gregg
 

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In the great scheme of things,

Does it matter if we live or die...does it matter if we even exist?
How important is the 4.03%?

Do I even exist in the terms "I"..its an interesting question. If I die and I don't exist then do I exist at all 😀

How important is time?...how long is the life of the universe in comparison with the infinity...how long is a life..is what happens in a lifetime important?

Is it important that the universe exists? <<now that is interesting to think about. If one day it won't exist who would know anything ever existed?

The word that comes to mind is oblivion. The Alfa and Omega of reality...

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M. Gregg
 
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How rare is life?

If it doesn't exist in dark matter/energy and our exploration so far in the solar system is anything to go by...4.03% and of that only a fraction containing life?

A stupid question...what if we are alone?
Yes I know we can't be alone its extremely unlikely..but what if in another thousand years we have no contact..

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M. Gregg
 
It only matters to me.... not to nature or the universe.

-RNM

Do you have any thoughts about conservation of information?
The thoughts are that the information could be in the event horizon of black holes (as things fall in)...or information is lost in the universe.

The idea that day to day has to follow on...or tomorrow could be abstract and not representative of the reality as we understand it.

Stupid thought..if the information about "Me" is conserved not in memory but it the past can that have an impact on reality?
Or do I come into existence have an interaction, cease to exist and the interaction just has an effect after my existence in reality now like the ripples in a pond?
The above comment makes people sound like complex particles and nothing more..😀 (is interaction more important than existing?)<<perhaps the two are one and the same..

There still seems to be this gaping hole...non existence..I find it hard to quantify the idea to exist and then not exist..it seems like there is something missing before and after..😀

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M. Gregg
 
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I was just reading through the posts to the link.

A comment posted made me think..this is the comment.

A photograph is static frozen..however it contains time..
the start and end of the photograph..

Sounds nuts..you can't observe zero time..T=0.
Can something exist in zero time?

I'm thinking about the phrase "and time stopped"..so what happens at light speed?

😀 sounds like things only exist when they are observed..uncertainty principle.
Stupid comment..you can't tell where somethings going to be because it doesn't exist until you look..Where is that cat?
Reality is time dependant<<😀 I don't believe it!😕

Regards
M. Gregg
 
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I was just reading through the posts to the link.

A comment posted made me think..this is the comment.

A photograph is static frozen..however it contains time..
the start and end of the photograph..

Sounds nuts..you can't observe zero time..T=0.
Can something exist in zero time?

I'm thinking about the phrase "and time stopped"..so what happens at light speed?

😀 sounds like things only exist when they are observed..uncertainty principle.
Stupid comment..you can't tell where somethings going to be because it doesn't exist until you look..Where is that cat?
Reality is time dependant<<😀 I don't believe it!😕

Regards
M. Gregg
The act of looking creates it
 
Very interesting,

The observable universe 4% + .03% of living stuff..To quote Micho Kaku>>The universe is made of atoms ..wrong 😀 Ie 73% is shown as dark energy the prevalent majority which could be the everything of existence. (we / everything exist in dark energy) <<the creator of dimensions? (The nothing that's something)

At neutron star density all the matter within the observable universe would hold in a sphere the diameter of earth orbit around the sun, and adding those 96% would increase its size by a 4.58 ratio, still less than a extending the sphere to Jupiter s orbit..

So relatively speaking there s about nothing, that is very few information, in the universe and that s surely the reason why it still exist as we know it...
 
I was looking for the date 1st April,

However its not on the article..Rainbow Gravity.
I thought it was worth a mention..I had not seen it before.

Black holes do not exist where space and time do not exist, says new theory

Something to do with an idea that light is bent dependant upon its colour or energy..

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M. Gregg

No clue why or where a rainbow is supposed in that theory?
Yet oddly consistant with my own donut theory of blkholery.

And of course, the donut spiel goes something like this:

a)When something reaches the event horizon, its already
going fast as light, and time (from our outside perspective)
has stopped.

b)Would it lose potential energy by falling further inside?
Lets keep in mind the falling object is already fast as light
and can't be any further accelerated. Nor can the the hole
spontaneously add mass or it would have become infinite
and ate everything already. So, the falling object can't gain
mass or speed or lose further potential energy by falling "in".

c)How long (our time) would it take to fall in? Probably a
lot longer than the age of our universe... So its still there
stuck on the horizon, not in a singularity at the center.

d)Newton did the math way back when, showing that a
a person standing on the ground would perceive exactly
the same gravity if the Earth inside were hollow or solid.
Yet an object inside (anywhere inside) that hollow shell
would perceive no gravity as the cancellation is perfect.
I argue this is exactly whats going on with our Horizon.

e) As the horizon grows, stuff that was formerly stuck in
time now finds itself inside, where time again flows. With
the likely result being explosive decompression and spray
paint the inside of the newly grown horizon. Were it gets
stuck again, but perhaps a bit more evenly distributed.

f)Now, I'm not sure the balance between what matter is
on the outside accreting vs the inside sprayjob? But the
outside disk getting stuck, dumps its matter onto a ring.
And if the horizon forms on a ring, then its not a hollow
sphere around a virtual singularity, but a hollow donut
surrounding a virtual ringularity. Not entirely hollow, as
the explosive spray has every right to count for jelly.
It might eventually spray itself spherical from the inside,
but again how long will that conversion take?

g) Magnetism makes a good case for jets and conservation
of spin, but donut just goes it one better. What might the
average near miss pattern of a ringularity's horizon look
like? Yeah, jets. Go figure...

All I see here is new arguments that reinforce existing
conclusions that singularites are absurd and matter has
plenty more than one reason to stop for a burger at the
horizon.

Try posting to this thread at exactly midnight Texas time
and you will see what I mean. The horizon holds it till it
get darn good and ready to eat and blow chunks inside.
 
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