Oooooooo..... now that would be the cat's pajamas. Maybe could turn my Cyndi Lauper CDs into Diana Krall. It could be that smooth.
FWIW, Cryo does work. A good friend of mine had his entire system cryo'd last year. We spent weeks looking for a good cyro treatment lab. He has measurements before and after that show a marked improvement. He is getting trophies for it. Maybe I can get him to share the measurements.
OK lets get this in context.
Is the device physically connected to the equipment?
Is it made of individual components ie a working circuit?
is it a piece of a single material?
Does it work by induction?
What effect do you hear?
You should be able to answer this without giving away the design information.
If its easily implemented then it must comply with known physics?
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So what did he Cryo?
Dip the whole amp speakers etc in liquid nitrogen or selective cables /circuit boards etc?
As you can see I'm sceptical but interested. Ie please tell us exactly what was cryo treated and how.
The reason I ask is because I'm interested to what temperature it was reduced and is this temperature critical.
Ie does freezing have an effect? or is it extreme conditions or is the effect progressive?
Ie is it progressive if you Cryo treat the same parts multiple times is there another change each time?
Or is it a one off effect<<does that effect change or go back over time(is it a permanent change)
So now we can have Cryo treated audio parts? ie Takman REX or REY cryo treated etc..Tantalum cryo treated resistors.
To be honest I'm surprised you can't buy cryo treated parts or send resistors etc away in the post to be done.
Drop the parts in a dish and let it come up to room temp..I'm surprised the sudden change in temp doesn't damage the parts.
Deep fat fryer basket and pool of Liquid nitrogen..😀
Put your parts outside in mid winter..in a plastic bag.
I did this with CDs and thought I could hear a difference But it was probably psycho acoustic. There was a craze years ago putting cables in the freezer..LOL
Freeze your wart or alternatively freeze your resistors..LOL Wartner will sell out now😀
Wrap the parts in cotton wool and empty a can of Wartner into the cotton wool
https://www.weldricks.co.uk/product...n=GoogleShop&gclid=CI6HxpOV1cYCFYLJtAodQzcHRg
Spray a circuit board..etc LOL
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Never though about it before,
http://www.amazon.com/MG-Chemicals-...sim_328_3?ie=UTF8&refRID=1A2YMGDGRN5HS2R8HVJE
There are lots of freeze sprays..
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http://www.amazon.com/MG-Chemicals-...sim_328_3?ie=UTF8&refRID=1A2YMGDGRN5HS2R8HVJE
There are lots of freeze sprays..
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M. Gregg
Is it time for VPI to re-introduce the magic brick? At least that could be shown to affect magnetic fields.
I had never heard of it until you mentioned it and that's saying something..LMAO
British Audio Products Online - Hi Fi News Fluxdumper
I have used a piece of toroid band to shield output transformers in the past and that worked.
How cold is pipe freeze spray?
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LMAO freeze your bybee,
DIY Pipe Freezing Kit | Hackaday
Place component in cotton wool wrap with plastic bag insert the nozzle spray for ever place in the freezer for slow thaw..😀
Just joking because most people would probably loose there fingers. (pipe freeze kit or other cold stuff)
But I might try it for fun!
NB not with a Bybee..
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M .Gregg
DIY Pipe Freezing Kit | Hackaday
Place component in cotton wool wrap with plastic bag insert the nozzle spray for ever place in the freezer for slow thaw..😀
Just joking because most people would probably loose there fingers. (pipe freeze kit or other cold stuff)
But I might try it for fun!
NB not with a Bybee..
Regards
M .Gregg
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Ah its made my Sunday morning catching up with this thread....
Now I'm no scientist but shouldn't at least a glimmer of a theory be there before you start experimentation....
And is Carbon C13 that magical, I'm sure a chemist could answer this🙂
Now I'm no scientist but shouldn't at least a glimmer of a theory be there before you start experimentation....
And is Carbon C13 that magical, I'm sure a chemist could answer this🙂
One did. It's an equal mix of stupid and desperate, seasoned with a soupcon of dishonesty.
Ok, I don't want to say too much for now.
Is the device physically connected to the equipment?
Physical proximity.
Is it made of individual components ie a working circuit?
No electrical connections.
Is it a piece of a single material?
A composite of elements and compounds.
Does it work by induction?
No ferrous materials involved.
What effect do you hear?
This post is an apt description - Final report on the Bybee Internal Speaker Bullets A/B test....
"Here are the results: the best description that I can think of is what I read others to say from conducting similar tests (actually try and heard them), that the main difference is not what is added, but what is missing: a subtle veil that permeated the entire performance from the lowest lows to the highest highs is no longer there. I didn't know it was there to begin with, and all of the sudden, once lifted, everything became more focused and shinier, but not in a glittery way. The sound is more relaxed. Gone are the last vestiges of grain, especially on the strings and wind sections. Everything sounds more "refined" and true. The bass is more controlled and I can hear more of the impact or "initial punch" on the drums. The mid-range is sweeter, and the highs in the crescendo passages even at loud volume, retain their body an composure, instead of being somewhat strident and glittery. Each instrument section is yet more into focus and more defined its placement."
I would further add...
Systems can go to clip and not get 'nasty'.
Systems can be run at sustained high volume and not induce ear fatigue.
The sense of 'loudness' is removed, and replaced by a sense of powerfulness.
This further induces inclination to 'turn it up' to mastering acoustic level and enjoy the recording as intended...ie at the appropriate level to flatten Fletcher Munson subjective eq.
3D depth information is clearly revealed, as is correct/incorrect acoustic polarity.
Low bass emerges from the floor with pleasing tactile vibration of sofa/carpets/flooring....I have also observed windows rattling only when running system treated and also structural failures, ie brick walls cracking/settling, ceiling cornices releasing.
There is plenty more I could add.....live amplified performances, stage instruments, recording, tv/video displays, FM radio transmission, AM radio reception.
Mr Bybee is correct...reduce 1/f and/or vlf noise and systems change for the better.
Note well that JC specifies devices/topologies with very low inherent 1/f noise.
If its easily implemented then it must comply with known physics?
I expect so.
Dan.
Is this a DIY buildable unit?
What is your intention..ie to market the item or release it used for free DIY but not commercial gain..
The reason I ask is this a possible Bybee replacement<<oups!
Or perhaps the answer to the thread?
NB it doesn't need to be ferrous to be inductive..
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M. Gregg
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Dunno, but its pretty easy to go below -50C at home. Would that be enough ?
So you guys sussed it to, but you just haven't made the final connection. There are at least 3 different kinds of electron. Red ones, green ones and blue ones. How else could a CRT work with its R,G and B guns unless they fire coloured electrons.
So taking this further, perhaps the Bybee absorbs one or wavelength of electron and as a consequence, the electrons passing through become 'coloured'.
What colour is a Bybee ? Its as valid an explanation as any 😉
What did you use?
I was thinking you could be lazy and wrap cotton wool around parts on a PCB and freeze the living daylights out of them..😀
I don't know how cold you have to go to get an effect..Just because liquid nitrogen is as cold as it is..is it over kill...😕
Years ago it was a standard Audiophool thing to do to put things in the freezer and leave them for a week. Then defrost in the fridge then leave at room temp for a day. I did it with CD's for a laugh and my friend borrowed them liked them (I didn't tell him about the freezer in case he thought I was nuts) so he bought a couple from the local shop but said the recordings were inferior to mine. Perhaps they were..
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I suggest a new sub-forum titled "Fraudio" where the charlatans, kooks, nutters and the terminally gullible/clueless can freely associate on such topics without rational, scientific or moral constraint. Like a Geek Show of old the rest of us would be free to either stay away or to observe them biting the heads off chickens without actually becoming involved in the action. A strict policy of non-intervention, like that observed by modern anthropologists when studying isolated primitives would be enforced. Anyone posting in this sub-forum would have their "diyAudio Member" tag show as pulsing in fluorescent green for six months after posting.
Or we could just stop feeding the trolls...but it is so tempting.
Or we could just stop feeding the trolls...but it is so tempting.
Some of my old stock of Servisol freezer spray. I thought it might hve been R134a but thats a much higher boiling point having just looked it up.
I think the point is to keep it cold for a while..that is the effect of the foam around the pipe with a plastic cover. I would then put it in the freezer.
I know it sounds nuts but I'm sure I read someone doing a test with a complete CD player in a plastic bag in the freezer for a month and doing a comparison test..I can't remember where I saw it, it was years ago..
NB don't do this it will damage your equipment!
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M. Gregg
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Seems it could be 134 after all.
Quote from current data sheets,
Fully halogenated CFC’s have been replaced by HFC134a/HFC152a with an ozone depletion potential of 0
Quote from current data sheets,
Fully halogenated CFC’s have been replaced by HFC134a/HFC152a with an ozone depletion potential of 0
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