Hi i do not know if this means something, maybe not 😱
but i heard a very good sound from Pioneer cd players with stable platter mechanism that reminds me of a Turntable ...
i like this solution very much indeed. I would buy one if i had a definitive situation at home. Very nice.
but i heard a very good sound from Pioneer cd players with stable platter mechanism that reminds me of a Turntable ...

i like this solution very much indeed. I would buy one if i had a definitive situation at home. Very nice.
If I open that same document on my PC with a different monitor, with a different program, with different settings it will not be exactly the same.
Actually it would, especially if you calibrate your monitor... Look at PDFs opened in many different PDF readers, or Pictures...
Ginetto, it looks nice, but it is a bogus solution to a non-problem, which only makes matters worse.
CD's don't spin at a constant RPM, but go from 210 at the rim to 480 RPM on the inside. You want to have as little rotational momentum as you can so the player can adjust its speed as quickly as possible. This stage of the process only gets the bits off the CD. Playback timing is done separately from this stage and is not impacted by speed variations in reading the bits.
CD's don't spin at a constant RPM, but go from 210 at the rim to 480 RPM on the inside. You want to have as little rotational momentum as you can so the player can adjust its speed as quickly as possible. This stage of the process only gets the bits off the CD. Playback timing is done separately from this stage and is not impacted by speed variations in reading the bits.
Just saw a mention (Amir at WBF) of Foobar triggering a memory leak which might possibly be a reason it sounds worse under Win7/Vista. The link here says it can raise CPU utilization to 100% in certain circumstances - Fix Audiodg.exe High CPU Usage in Windows 7 | Windows EXE Errors
In multi-threading environment, CPU-time and memory is "shared" among software. If free memory or CPU is not sufficient, as often caused by virus, of course no process will run perfectly.
This cannot be a reason why Foobar is different. Virus is complicated as it can disguise itself in the form of whatever system's filename. WINAMPA is another file that often causes problem in memory usage.
A relevant issue with audio players is the buffering, i.e. putting some encoded file in a buffer and then decode the file in the buffer. I have seen in a simple MP3 player where buffer size is defaulted to a constant. If a decoded file already "played" and buffer cannot provide "fresh" frames then a GLITCH may be heard.
But the glitch is so short that it may be inaudible for most people. When the glitch is so serious, then even the cloth ears audiophile can hear it 😉
This cannot be a reason why Foobar is different.
Has anyone actually shown that it is? Or is it taken as "fact" just because some gasbag said something somewhere without any evidence?
Has anyone actually shown that it is? Or is it taken as "fact" just because some gasbag said something somewhere without any evidence?
None, SY, None. And nobody took it as "fact" or "myth". It's just like when (if) you said your wife is pretty, without any evidence. Nobody will take it as "fact" or "myth", or think that you are a gasbag. It's just information.
So you actually meant to write: This cannot be a reason why Foobar is claimed to be different.
Your analogy is inapt. "Pretty" has nothing to do with whether person A is distinguishable from person B. It assumes that the person referred to can be distinguished.
Your analogy is inapt. "Pretty" has nothing to do with whether person A is distinguishable from person B. It assumes that the person referred to can be distinguished.
Possible but unlikely, Richard - a lot to do with the inflexibility of altering the output module, I suspect, under Vista. I've just done a quick round going the next step with foobar on the laptop, which entailed as much as possible matching the output options with those I'm using for Media Monkey, and in an initial test, in a non-optimum stage of warm-up it's close, very close. Which is to be expected, the output module is doing virtually everything, foobar registers 0% usage while playing.Just saw a mention (Amir at WBF) of Foobar triggering a memory leak which might possibly be a reason it sounds worse under Win7/Vista. The link here says it can raise CPU utilization to 100% in certain circumstances - Fix Audiodg.exe High CPU Usage in Windows 7 | Windows EXE Errors
Might possibly be worth a punt Frank?
Tomorrow I'll get the machine fully up to optimum, and throw my worst at it, in terms of difficult tracks, and see what shows up. Unfortunately, even if they remain at par it still doesn't solve the ABX issue, because the latter module wants to churn CPU cycles while playing, and I've already seen this slug the SQ.
Amir mentioned its the ABX module which kicks the 'audiodg.exe.' into its incontinent state - but there's a fix which he said he's so far been unable to apply.
My A system is now the best sound I have heard or lived with.
This system has really nicely precise imaging and placement, lows that go low enough and highs that go out past my hearing and is essentially distortionless.
Regarding highs, my experience with different tweeters all baffled in the same manner will subjectively produce different amounts of treble energy. One tweeter can be down 4-5 db from the other and sound brighter than the one that has a flat FR.. If mounted in waveguides, another issue altogether..
I am using some very special (unique and proprietary) tricks to achieve the sound quality that I describe from relatively inexpensive off the shelf equipment with no modifications to electronic circuitry.
If not electronically.. I have to wonder then.. I guess it's a secret for now..😉
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I'll go a step at a time, and see what he says once I'm happy with foobar straight. The other, huge downside is that the ABX copies and resamples the test tracks into a uniform format, in a work folder, before running! Well, duhhh ... that's bloody useful for doing fine comparisons, in related areas!!Amir mentioned its the ABX module which kicks the 'audiodg.exe.' into its incontinent state - but there's a fix which he said he's so far been unable to apply.
So you actually meant to write: This cannot be a reason why Foobar is claimed to be different.
Yes, yes, that's perfect! Sorry my English.
Your analogy is inapt. "Pretty" has nothing to do with whether person A is distinguishable from person B. It assumes that the person referred to can be distinguished.
Yes, I know (I had no time to find better example, just picked whatever flying over my head). But you got my point I believe.
Okay, just did a simple test regarding "audiodg.exe". In Windows 8.1 it definitely is used, it gets started if not running, when replay starts for both by Media Monkey and foobar - but appears to be benign, at least in regard to how I've specified the output processing: no apparent CPU cycles used, and the initial memory allocation doesn't budge.
Actually it would, especially if you calibrate your monitor... Look at PDFs opened in many different PDF readers, or Pictures...
No it would't. Not if I use Open Office with Linux and a different screen resolution.
No it would't. Not if I use Open Office with Linux and a different screen resolution.
But in this analogy if the output pdf prints the same then they are equivalent.
Yes, I know (I had no time to find better example, just picked whatever flying over my head). But you got my point I believe.
If your point is you would rather believe something without investigating for yourself then yes.
But in this analogy if the output pdf prints the same then they are equivalent.
How did we get from a doc file to a pdf? The point is that there is all kinds of processing going on by different programs. Take something simple like the volume level will mean bits loaded to a register and shifted or other processor function and sent out on its way. I am trying to look at this in a very low programming/machine level
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because we are talking about the OUTPUT of the package. The output from a word processor is a printed document. The output from a music player is music. If the waveform visualisations look different who cares as long as same bits are fed to ASIO.
A volume change is already a change of bits.
Calculational, not reproduced. VERY big difference.
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