The A7.3 does have a higher than average distortion peak around 1.5kHz. I wonder if that is what you are hearing?
I noticed this with many drivers...when Norah voice gets lower (at the end of the track).
Low end of NJ voice on clip G seems to get cancelled between sub and speaker, entire clip. Top end of NJ voice problems to me seem microphone.
Look at the tracks side by side on Audacity. Visually they look very similar amplitude wise - there is no canceling - what you hear are the frequency dependent voicing of the drivers and its interaction with NJ's voice. I don't think that is a microphone effect either - it's the distortion peak.
Driver G got the most care in terms of special treatment - break in, careful handling, etc. I am surprised that you guys keep picking out the sound recording's flaws as if the sound quality was affected by how it was recorded when in fact it was done with the most care compared to all the rest.
Driver G got the most care in terms of special treatment - break in, careful handling, etc. I am surprised that you guys keep picking out the sound recording's flaws as if the sound quality was affected by how it was recorded when in fact it was done with the most care compared to all the rest.
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😀Good work and thank you X!
I enjoyed these blind tests very much and it's an eyeopener for me.
Things that I learned so far:
• Frequency response is important
• Trust your ears
• Some of the more vocal regulars here on the FR-forum, often propagating for drivers that to my ears (and in you're datasets apparently)... sucks.
I can see that this will upset some of them, but you're right X 😉
I enjoyed these blind tests very much and it's an eyeopener for me.
Things that I learned so far:
• Frequency response is important
• Trust your ears
• Some of the more vocal regulars here on the FR-forum, often propagating for drivers that to my ears (and in you're datasets apparently)... sucks.
I can see that this will upset some of them, but you're right X 😉
xrk
I think your measurements are both competent and adequate. Only friendly fire I had from the bat in the kitchen, was the repetiveness of it all.
I think your measurements are both competent and adequate. Only friendly fire I had from the bat in the kitchen, was the repetiveness of it all.
I'm surprised about this discussion over the sound clips. They do pretty well for what they are. Come to think of it being mp3's that could be a source of fault all by itself. But they had to be small enough to upload and I understand this choice (not a fan of mp3 myself).
You can't beat auditioning the speakers yourself in your room. But what X brings to the table here does help! You can hear impressions, mono, right ride from a track and actally be able to compare the speakers, judge the graphs and numbers and try to find a correlation there (one that I think is very real). All that at no cost except for your time spend.
I think it's a great service X provides and beats blabbering on and on about these things without any useful result.
Don't forget your own listening chain when judging these files. I know, everybody has the perfect setup already 😀.
You can't beat auditioning the speakers yourself in your room. But what X brings to the table here does help! You can hear impressions, mono, right ride from a track and actally be able to compare the speakers, judge the graphs and numbers and try to find a correlation there (one that I think is very real). All that at no cost except for your time spend.
I think it's a great service X provides and beats blabbering on and on about these things without any useful result.
Don't forget your own listening chain when judging these files. I know, everybody has the perfect setup already 😀.
.......and that's what a blind test does......removes the subjectivity and bias of ones own preference for what they believe might produce a better driver. Cone material, IR, DR, etc. Throw it all out with the bath water if you want to reveal the 'truth' as you say. Clearly your own selection does not mimic your subjective and biased preferences. Time to clear the table and ignore your expectations.
C'mon... We are adults. Put insecurity aside... No doubt that X works are great and very credible. It is normal if some people are not happy with the final result.
But here is a genuine question, a very simple question (and easy answer too) from Peter which deserve an answer:
The stereo spectra has little to do with the individual driver but instead the recording pan, room, speaker placement and amplifier channel seperation. If the driver has a resonance in mono, it will still be there in stereo, just twice as loud in the nearfield..............
And yes, most full range drivers do have a sibilance peak related to cone break up. But if we're going to throw filters at it, why even bother with full range when a dedicated HF element can certainly handle 2k content better than any of these presented?
With the ease of tuning using today's available DIY DSP options, the practicality of Fullrange options becomes nearly obsolete. The 10f being so small in size permits for excellent options for a true three way that when executed properly will easily surpass the performance of ANY full range option from both response, HD, dynamic capability, bass extension, power handling........etc etc etc.
But in reality, we as diverse individuals prefer music to sound different for some. XRKs test shows that 'most' of us prefer the same and hear the same. No use in accounting for the differences that others prefer any more than wondering why some like moldy cheese or Merlot. Lol
No I think you don't understand... (you can ask and discuss if you want, coz I think you've made a wrong assumption)
Blind or not blind it's the same for me. Nothing changed what I have already known. My preference doesn't change either.
Simple answer: Because it was there - actually produced by the A7.3. I provide below another recording of the A7.3 made at 160hrs after break in began. You will notice the same "crackle" sound at the same spot that you are all fussing about. It is intrinsic in the driver - this was recorded on a different day - same effect. Doesn't look like the extra 40 hrs of break in remedied this.
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(not referring to new clip that happened to be above this post, that doesn't have the noise I mean)
yes flaws in NJ G clip at 36 seconds are in the recording posted here, yes recording chain isn't perfect
the second point I had with same clip was that basis female NJ voice had gone, as if that driver had least extended frequency respons, it turns out to be the Alpair 7, which has the most extended frequency respons downwards, of compared drivers I would say, so, it is probably in XO range were this fundament of NJ voice disappears, maybe even entirely in subfrequency range??? just googled and 160hz is what I read, NJ probably higher???
yes flaws in NJ G clip at 36 seconds are in the recording posted here, yes recording chain isn't perfect
the second point I had with same clip was that basis female NJ voice had gone, as if that driver had least extended frequency respons, it turns out to be the Alpair 7, which has the most extended frequency respons downwards, of compared drivers I would say, so, it is probably in XO range were this fundament of NJ voice disappears, maybe even entirely in subfrequency range??? just googled and 160hz is what I read, NJ probably higher???
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X, there is low frequency "blurp" in the previous G file (doesn't exist in your last one). It's from the Dayton, not MA.
I was not referring to NJ voice tho, because the song already stop by then. It is the end of the clip.
About the sound, no doubt, it is f***ed up like I said from the beginning. And I know that your MP3 files quality are more than adequate to present the real driver sound (at least for experienced listeners like me)
I was not referring to NJ voice tho, because the song already stop by then. It is the end of the clip.
About the sound, no doubt, it is f***ed up like I said from the beginning. And I know that your MP3 files quality are more than adequate to present the real driver sound (at least for experienced listeners like me)
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No the noise isn't in this clip, this clip ends when noise starts in G clip in this thread
Bass is better so is basis NJ voice in this clip
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Haha, "crackle" is the word I looked for. Although I'm not sure if a reviewer would use such a "low" term;o)))
So you've heard it also! How loud do you go when measuring distortion? Don't hang me now, but I believed a German magazine measured up against 15% harmonic distortion peak around 1.5kHz. But don't take it as truth as I'm not home to check it…
I can't do more than take your word for it. I asked just once about the file and you cleared it up. Regarding mp3 files good or not, most people would be surprised if blind testing a 320kb mp3 against high resolution files;o)) Even the golden ears as some claims they have…..
Sorry, the 160hrs clip was recorded at a different point in recording, and ended a bit before the spot you are talking about but I thought I heard the crackle elsewhere.
Here is the clip at 80hrs after break in. Let me know if you think you still hear it.
It really isn't that good if you know what to listen for. I'm not claiming golden ears here. I have done the ABX listening tests in the past, triggered by what I heard (or didn't hear) from mp3's. I'd rather have AAC at that same bitrate.
To me, in my own testing it was the superior codec. That's what I use if I can't use FLAC.
But for this test? It is good enough to be able to form an opinion on these drivers. And as such it served it's purpose. But there will be harmonics/details lost in mp3, no way around that.
And yet we are on the full range forum, where no crossovers preserves way more harmonics than any crossover ever could.
But that wouldn't allow us to run this test, to control this test the choice was made to make it a FAST setup.
It wouldn't be possible otherwise. How can we make sure all drivers have the same extension in bass etc. You'd need a different box for every driver.
I'm certainly no Golden Ear but on the subject of mp3 I'd advice people to take the tests and make up their own mind. I did that part for myself and moved on.
I heard that too in this track. But not in the clip from the 10F. At least it didn't jump out.
If every recoding of the A7.3 has it, the recording equipment is the same as is the processing.... what could be causing it? 😉
If every recoding of the A7.3 has it, the recording equipment is the same as is the processing.... what could be causing it? 😉