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Not really drinking to get Drunk...more like just liking/tasting experience with me, But yeah I know how it can be though, real easy to get out of hand. Even still with me..Just times where I just want to/a damn drink...I can't explain it...
That alcoholic like tendency is always still there as well...I just kinda learned to control that a bit better/moderate better etc.
 
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I had an interesting conversation the other day with a Scottish bloke that I work with on stadium shows.
He ventured that he has had years long habit sessions on Alcohol, Heroin, Coke, Weed, Speed, Ecstacy and LSD plus more, separately and concurrently.

He maintains as I do that there is no such thing as addiction, and that in each case he has from one day to the next decided to just quit, and successfully.
He also commented that those who will not quit, and stay quit, are 'weak in the jocks'.
The bottom line is grow up and HTFU.

He obviously didn't do heroin for long enough to develop a physical addiction.

Going by my experiences in hospital with Diamorphine (originally marketed by Bayer under the name 'Heroin') it takes about a couple of months of multiple daily use to develop a physical addiction. They had a very clear point at which they would have to stop administering it because of its addictiveness.
Once you get to the point of physical addiction it is not possible to just stop without going through a few days of hell during which you will nearly constantly through up and **** yourself.
There is no escape from this and the symptoms are the same for everybody.

But not all drugs will form a clear physical addiction. Heroin does and so does alcohol eventually but not coke, crack, LSD, weed etc.
These like almost everything else (gambling or exercise for example) can be psychologically addictive which is where addictive personalities come into play.
That said I would not call these people 'weak', that is the same as telling someone with depression to 'just snap out of it'.
Before passing judgement like that he should shut up and just count himself lucky that he, unlike many others, can do that.
 
He obviously didn't do heroin for long enough to develop a physical addiction.

Going by my experiences in hospital with Diamorphine (originally marketed by Bayer under the name 'Heroin') it takes about a couple of months of multiple daily use to develop a physical addiction. They had a very clear point at which they would have to stop administering it because of its addictiveness.
Once you get to the point of physical addiction it is not possible to just stop without going through a few days of hell during which you will nearly constantly through up and **** yourself.
There is no escape from this and the symptoms are the same for everybody.

But not all drugs will form a clear physical addiction. Heroin does and so does alcohol eventually but not coke, crack, LSD, weed etc.
These like almost everything else (gambling or exercise for example) can be psychologically addictive which is where addictive personalities come into play.
That said I would not call these people 'weak', that is the same as telling someone with depression to 'just snap out of it'.
Before passing judgement like that he should shut up and just count himself lucky that he, unlike many others, can do that.

That's how I see it! Well said! I am not a doctor, but I have a family member that I've seen through percocet withdrawal and alcohol withdrawal. Fabulously physical. Weird symptoms, too. Goosebumps, numbing of extremities, restless leg thing...a week of hell to rid years of purgatory.
 
He obviously didn't do heroin for long enough to develop a physical addiction.
He said 3+ years, I believe him.

Going by my experiences in hospital with Diamorphine (originally marketed by Bayer under the name 'Heroin') it takes about a couple of months of multiple daily use to develop a physical addiction. They had a very clear point at which they would have to stop administering it because of its addictiveness.
Once you get to the point of physical addiction it is not possible to just stop without going through a few days of hell during which you will nearly constantly through up and **** yourself.
There is no escape from this and the symptoms are the same for everybody.
I will ask him about that when I catch up next show....Backstreet Boys... I can't wait, lol.
That said I would not call these people 'weak', that is the same as telling someone with depression to 'just snap out of it'.
Addictive personality types are those who are easily led, and who not have adequate self will and self determination.
Of course, taking the wrong drugs is a slippery slope that leads to further loss of self will and self determination, a negative feedback situation.....that's why these substances are outlawed.
Ever noticed that depressive and drug addict types blame the world for their woes....another case for HTFU.
Before passing judgement like that he should shut up and just count himself lucky that he, unlike many others, can do that.
Nah, his advice is good advice......take responsibility for your own actions and do something positive about it is the take away.
Everything is mind over matter....we are all self programmable walking talking machines with intelligence....the key is understanding these elementary points.
A certain degree of intelligence is required to cross the hurdle...Cleese - Stupidity

Dan.
 
Addictive personality types are those who are easily led, and who not have adequate self will and self determination.
Of course, taking the wrong drugs is a slippery slope that leads to further loss of self will and self determination, a negative feedback situation.....that's why these substances are outlawed.
Ever noticed that depressive and drug addict types blame the world for their woes....another case for HTFU.

Nah, his advice is good advice......take responsibility for your own actions and do something positive about it is the take away.
Everything is mind over matter....we are all self programmable walking talking machines with intelligence....the key is understanding these elementary points.
A certain degree of intelligence is required to cross the hurdle...Cleese - Stupidity

Dan.

I couldn't agree less.

I know a number of people who are by no means whatsoever easily led and practically ooze self-determination and will but still have incredibly addictive personalities.
However they are very much aware of that feature of their own personalities and thus stay well clear of certain substances.

All in all it has very little to do with mind over matter or intelligence.
For starters 'mind' is very ill defined. The closest to a satisfactory definition is that "Mind is what the brain does.". Unfortunately our conscious brain is largely controlled by our subconscious over which we have very little control.
Some people can control substances and addictions like that but many can't.
As I said the same way people can't just snap out of depression.
 
Ahh yes, the glorious work bench. If it isn't some PCBs to tinker with, then I am reloading ammunition or building speaker boxes, or cleaning my rifles, or rebuilding a dirt-bike engine, or modifying something in some way. If anyone ever wonders why some men have to have hobbies, then they have obviously never lived in a house full of women.

My dog (a male) even joins me down at the work bench.

I just realize why my stupid crazy dog (photograph) never goes to the work bench whit me : it's a girl !

Yep, hobby with such houses full of crasy girls has nothing to see with egoism but survey ! I don't show you but I have exactly this same picture but with my wife instead the dog! And without weed !
 

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Thanks for that. I was listening and doing stuff and that thing went on and next thing I know I was listening to Junkie (which is a book I have) and, wow, this is not a bad idea. Normally I listen to music ( I had always thought audio books were for housewives and elderly people) but, hey, I could strech my horizons a little. I can finish a book per day while I do my work. Although having Burroughs in the background for almost two hours could make you sick, it appeared some nastiness in my stomach and I had to stop it. His voice doesn't sound that good, does it? He reminds me of my (now defunct) 6AS7 amp, sluggish and....yuk. He sounds like he's going to kick the bucket in any second.
 
Addictive personality types are those who are easily led, and who not have adequate self will and self determination.
Of course, taking the wrong drugs is a slippery slope that leads to further loss of self will and self determination, a negative feedback situation.....that's why these substances are outlawed.
Ever noticed that depressive and drug addict types blame the world for their woes....another case for HTFU.

so wrong im not sure where to begin.
ask some pros on addictions, say at AA, its not self will at all, life long alcoholics are probably stronger at "will" than you and I combined!! they say you cannot help anyone who has not hit their bottom eg the pain is worse than the self cure. I reckon maybe for all your life experiences you've been playing at the shallow end of the pool.
 
Once you get to the point of physical addiction it is not possible to just stop without going through a few days of hell during which you will nearly constantly through up and **** yourself.
There is no escape from this and the symptoms are the same for everybody.

Also your blood pressure can spike dangerously, putting you potentially at risk of a heart attack or stroke.

Coming off opiates is not to be taken lightly.


Ever noticed that depressive and drug addict types blame the world for their woes....another case for HTFU.

Actually this statement made me very angry and I was tempted to retaliate with personal insults. Part of the reason that people are so adversely affected by the world around them is because the world is run by cut throat psychopaths and people who are wholeheartedly only interested in themselves. Most addicts have been traumatized by some form of abuse, or have concurrent mental illnesses too, but oh Geez, mental illness is just an illusion to you!

Also depression is a very real thing. That is both a professional and personal observation.

Gordon.
 
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Part of the reason that people are so adversely affected by the world around them is because the world is run by cut throat psychopaths and people who are wholeheartedly only interested in themselves.

Gordon.

Bingo.

Living in an insane world, run by psychopaths and sociopaths, does tend to drive sane people nuts. Self-medication is a forgone conclusion for many citizens of this planet and this state of affairs will remain for some time yet. Perhaps indefinitely.
 
Cogitech, have you ever read any of the work of Carl Rogers? His view of mental illness was very much along the lines of what you said.

Gordon.

Yes, actually. Psychology 101 included an overview of many approaches to psychology and Rogers was featured, of course. Rogers methods and theories appealed to me on a very deep level, and I have been able to draw parallels between his teachings and many other thinkers whom I respect.

Eckhart Tolle fully explores the theme of "collective insanity" in much of his writings. Absolutely amazing, powerful stuff.

BTW, AudioFreak88, did you have a chance to listen to Mr. Tolle yet?
 
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