BTW guys I guess jn and I wasted our time a few months ago when we demonstrated (as it had to be) that there is no difference in looking at the speaker/cable/amp system by transmission-line or lumped techniques."Impedance" matching relates directly to the damping in the lumped element representation, in this case giving jn a read on his IAD issues.
I think that got lost in the noise. Is it bloggable?
I think that got lost in the noise. Is it bloggable?
It's spread over days somewhere, not worth the trouble.
I don't have enough time to read all of this but I can guess how it's going. 🙂
My thought of the day: Why don't you just shorten the length of the cable so it doesn't touch the floor in the first place?
Uh-oh, I hear a torch behind me - gotta go!
My thought of the day: Why don't you just shorten the length of the cable so it doesn't touch the floor in the first place?
Uh-oh, I hear a torch behind me - gotta go!
"noise harvesters" really?
To paraphrase John Oliver recently, "thankfully, I'm on HBO, so I can say this: ......"
well, actually, even the most artful attempt to approach the content of the message could fail the forum censors, but it did refer to some do it yourself anatomical functions
To paraphrase John Oliver recently, "thankfully, I'm on HBO, so I can say this: ......"
well, actually, even the most artful attempt to approach the content of the message could fail the forum censors, but it did refer to some do it yourself anatomical functions
If this sort of fooling around is useful then that's exactly the sort of effect that occurs - depends on material behavious it seems, not antennae or normal LCR stuff.Even in a modest system, the first and most noticeable improvement is in the midrange; it's as if the system took a decongestant. Improvements in midrange clarity, bloom, presence, smoothness and coherency are instantly noticeable. After the shock of this improvement settles in, the next most noticeable improvement is in the treble, with greater air, extension, space and sweetness. Bass also becomes tauter, tighter, deeper and more defined. Imaging and soundstaging are also greatly improved, revealing more depth and nuance from every recording.
Trivial to try, toilet roll tubes or equivalent will do it; zero cost and a little bit of recycling thrown in. To pee this crowd off, 😀, I do the equivalent on the PC speaker setup, because it's a zero cost way of removing a bit more muck in the sound, an easy way of getting around an issue or two.
I wonder if I could go on a Photoshop forum and say how the colors will be more vivid if you put your monitor cable up on wooden blocks.May I just say that the hour or so I spent reading this thread as been, well uplifting.
I do wonder why the magic that exists with audio electronics is not prevalent in other areas of electronics, maybe nobody's told them about directional cables, wooden blocks having an effect on sound.....
But they would surely know better. Perhaps an A/V forum, say how putting a video/TV cable up on blocks reduces video compression artifacts. This might catch on for live-action content fans such as football and other sports.
Trivial to try, toilet roll tubes or equivalent will do it
Comments like this make me think you are not to serious but crafting a schtick, do trolls s**t in the woods?
Scott, if you Google it, this is commonly done "to try it out" - it's all about separation, and the simplest method will provide feedback, to see if it does anything for you - I don't use such myself, I get rid of of the sh!t in the sound using other materials.
I don't buy expensive stuff, to try out ideas - the hardware store and supermarket are an excellent resource, much of the time ...
I don't buy expensive stuff, to try out ideas - the hardware store and supermarket are an excellent resource, much of the time ...
Scott, if you Google it, this is commonly done "to try it out" - it's all about separation, and the simplest method will provide feedback, to see if it does anything for you - I don't use such myself, I get rid of of the sh!t in the sound using other materials.
I don't buy expensive stuff, to try out ideas - the hardware store and supermarket are an excellent resource, much of the time ...
Tried it, didn't do s**t for me as they say.
And that's what it's about - something works or it doesn't ... the complication is, depending upon everything, that the interactions between mechanisms that are "dirtying" up the sound can mask the impact of doing any one particular thing, or even make things worse. The only solution I've found yet is to be able to hear what's going on, and from experience make useful moves, that help ...
I wonder if I could go on a Photoshop forum and say how the colors will be more vivid if you put your monitor cable up on wooden blocks.
But they would surely know better. Perhaps an A/V forum, say how putting a video/TV cable up on blocks reduces video compression artifacts. This might catch on for live-action content fans such as football and other sports.
I shall try this tonight and report back... though I expect using my monitor calibrator would be a better way to go.
What I do like about quite a few of these 'true believer' mods/effects is they work in all circumstances, like cable lifters, they seem to work on all types of floors and floorings...
But as Fas42 has pointed out, it cant be catered for by normal parameters, don't know how they ever manage to wire up submarines, aircraft, ships, LHCs etc. or how some things could have been missed over the years of research only to be discovered by some lone audiophile guru working tirelessly in his living room...
And that's what it's about - something works or it doesn't ... the complication is, depending upon everything, that the interactions between mechanisms that are "dirtying" up the sound can mask the impact of doing any one particular thing, or even make things worse. The only solution I've found yet is to be able to hear what's going on, and from experience make useful moves, that help ...
I am off the opinion that maybe understanding the mechanisms and confirming they exist first, would be the best step of then solving them. Of course to confirm them and check the magnitude of their effect would involve some metrics...
Most of the mechanisms are understood, and exceedingly well so: power supply deficiencies, poor grounding, interference susceptibility, poor electrical contacts. The strange world of materials behaviour is a headscratcher however, it doesn't make sense to me yet - but I'm not going ignore it, just because it doesn't fall neatly into place.
They exist, because they alter the sound - most people would be completely oblivious to the impact, and that's fine - but if you're sensitive to what's going on then the smart thing is to do something about it - like eliminating the interaction.
Something like a sufficiently sophisticated, and competent, version of DiffMaker would be able to do the metrics - but of course we don't have that as yet ... 🙁.
They exist, because they alter the sound - most people would be completely oblivious to the impact, and that's fine - but if you're sensitive to what's going on then the smart thing is to do something about it - like eliminating the interaction.
Something like a sufficiently sophisticated, and competent, version of DiffMaker would be able to do the metrics - but of course we don't have that as yet ... 🙁.
Material properties are swamped by the other factors and unless extreme wont have any noticeable effect. Unless you go out of your way to create Teflon silver wires or similar.
Maybe becoming au fait with such things as EMC etc. first would be best.
Then ask your self why I chose some of the examples.... because materials are used for certain reasons in certain life critical harsh environments and experimentation and research done on such things and the effects if any on signal integrity......
Maybe you should re-read the JC thread currently discussing the problems with speakers.... about 1000000000000000000X more problematic than any material effects.
Why diff maker, how do you measure say EMC susceptibility with diffmaker, we are talking about measuring the environment, like all these that moan about PCs yet very few actually measure or show figures for any noise, it frequency etc. all the things you need to know to supress said noise.
I am doing some Nuclear Power Station control boards for the next few weeks, should I use you methodology or stick to w*** engineering practices, maybe we should put it to the vote.
Maybe becoming au fait with such things as EMC etc. first would be best.
Then ask your self why I chose some of the examples.... because materials are used for certain reasons in certain life critical harsh environments and experimentation and research done on such things and the effects if any on signal integrity......
Maybe you should re-read the JC thread currently discussing the problems with speakers.... about 1000000000000000000X more problematic than any material effects.
Why diff maker, how do you measure say EMC susceptibility with diffmaker, we are talking about measuring the environment, like all these that moan about PCs yet very few actually measure or show figures for any noise, it frequency etc. all the things you need to know to supress said noise.
I am doing some Nuclear Power Station control boards for the next few weeks, should I use you methodology or stick to w*** engineering practices, maybe we should put it to the vote.
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There's theory, and then there's practice - the latter alway wins!
When I first achieved competent sound, it was very exciting, but also exceedingly frustrating, because I could not maintain a high standard consistently. I tried everything I knew at the time to get this behaviour under control, but got nowhere. In the end I got so fed up I just dumped audio as a hobby, for well over 10 years I couldn't be bothered, and just had a music system around like most people do for background, etc.
When I tried again, a lot more things came together, and in the end I understood where the problems were in the first round - I just didn't have sufficient experience, and knowledge, back then.
Talking about speakers is missing the point - it's not the number expressing the amount of distortion that's important, it's the type or nature of the distortion that counts.
When I first achieved competent sound, it was very exciting, but also exceedingly frustrating, because I could not maintain a high standard consistently. I tried everything I knew at the time to get this behaviour under control, but got nowhere. In the end I got so fed up I just dumped audio as a hobby, for well over 10 years I couldn't be bothered, and just had a music system around like most people do for background, etc.
When I tried again, a lot more things came together, and in the end I understood where the problems were in the first round - I just didn't have sufficient experience, and knowledge, back then.
Talking about speakers is missing the point - it's not the number expressing the amount of distortion that's important, it's the type or nature of the distortion that counts.
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A rather apt car analogy - sorry!! - is that your vehicle has all its typical characteristics, it does some things well, other things not so well ... but one day you accidently leave your handbrake partially on, not enough that you actually realise that this has happened, everything still operates correctly. Yet, in the driving there is a sense of unease - something is not quite right, the car feels "wrong", the normal matter of fact operating of the vehicle is just not happening ... and you scratch your head trying to work out what's altered - are you just "imagining" that the car feels different, 😀.
Then you look down at the centre console ...
Then you look down at the centre console ...
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