Voicing an amplifier: general discussion

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#621
DrDyna said:
A morning doodle for everyone's amusement.
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Ouch !!!

But don´t worry, I bet this one adds lots of PRAT and Soundstage, (besides warmth):

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And for those doubting Thomases among you, no, it´s not photoshopped, here´s the AOpen page:

http://global.aopen.com/products_detail.aspx?auno=53
 
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#623
DrDyna said:
That's really the only thing I preferred about my old separates..I sold them for about 75% of what I paid...the same can not be said about A/V receivers, as once their feature set lags behind the times (HDMI for example) they become almost un-sellable.

Aside from that though, there's absolutely no audible difference between a proper A/V receiver and a boutique pre/pro + amplifier, because if you could reliably say so, then it wouldn't be a contentious subject.

So, the whole idea of voicing something which by design has no voice becomes kinda goofball.
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I believe you, a pity that, never hearing good before .....
 
#624
a.wayne said:
I believe you, a pity that, never hearing good before .....
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And the inevitable mud slinging at gear begins...anybody who thinks amplifiers are largely sonically agnostic must just have crap gear, right?

Kinda like that time...I went to an audio boutique...and listened to X-1 Grand Slamms driven by about 40,000 dollars worth of source/pre/power and was completely un-moved by it because the room was bad?

I guess that means it must be my ears, right? It's kinda neat how when this discussion comes up, the audio enthusiast landscape is suddenly split into people who can hear everything and can't prove it, and people who are deaf or just have bad gear.

Or, there's a third option, those who used to think like a typical audiophile and even cajoled themselves into thinking they heard differences, but actually took the time to do some research and testing, only to discover they were wasting their time. Like me.

Be the guy that seeks knowledge and truth, rather than the guy who clings mercilessly to dogma. You'll thank us..and your family will thank us for getting to take an extra vacation every year for all the money you'll save on power amplifiers.
 
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no slinging , more an Observation based on your comments and attempted dogma, very obvious to me you have limited experience with the genre, going to a dealer (mostly clueless themselves) is not experience, you should buy , borrow or review these items in person in your environment , then comment..


Shooting from the hip wont work here ..... 🙄
 
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DrDyna said:
Be the guy that seeks knowledge and truth, rather than the guy who clings mercilessly to dogma. You'll thank us..and your family will thank us for getting to take an extra vacation every year for all the money you'll save on power amplifiers.
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Hasn't worked for us. It's parts and time expenditure in my case, rather than buying appliances, but at least it gives my wife something substantive to roll her eyes about.
 
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a.wayne said:
no slinging , more an Observation based on your comments and attempted dogma, very obvious to me you have limited experience with the genre, going to a dealer (mostly clueless themselves) is not experience, you should buy , borrow or review these items in person in your environment , then comment..


Shooting from the hip wont work here ..... 🙄
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Inexperience, that's a new one.

I don't know how many amplifiers I've heard in my life, or how many thousands of hours I've spent listening to music, but I'm getting a little irritated at the crass notion that I have anything at all to prove when I'm not the one making a claim.

The positive claimant is where the burden of proof lies, so rather than run me through the gamut of questioning and tumescence flaunting, why don't we just stick to the idea that if anyone wants to demonstrate the claim to be true, that they just clam up and do it already, or just admit that they can't.

Edit: Brain ahead of fingers once again.
 
#630
In my reality, what is, is. So when I listen to my audio system and I compare amps, I hear differences in the 'sonic blend' of the amp or what I call 'signature' and I hear it in every amp that I have been exposed to, including my own designs. That is my reality, and I will stick to it.
 
#631
SY said:
See, that's the problem. If you don't hear anything different because the "suggestions" didn't break something that was already working correctly, then you'll hear about how your mind was made up at the start or that your system sucks or that you're deaf or whatever.
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DrDyna said:
And the inevitable mud slinging at gear begins...anybody who thinks amplifiers are largely sonically agnostic must just have crap gear, right?
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I apparently have ESP.😀
 
#632
All those selling gear for a profit as a business, raise your hands....

Seems this would cause a conflict of interest in presenting unbiased judgement about quality of listening experience (especially on a DIY forum, no less). If you build product for mid to high level audiphoolery, your judgement is suspect at best...
 
#633
fas42 said:
The effect is that all the sounds in such a production exist in their own space, Michael Jackson's efforts are a good litmus: multiple sound elements all co-existing, yet each occupy their own place on the soundstage, and you, the listener, can audibly isolate each with ease. Something like listening to a band of 12 or so musicians, and being able to focus on, "see" a particular member of the band as having a distinct identity, place separate from the others.
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They used the "acusonic recording process".
Q. What is the Acusonic Recording Process?
Bruce Swedien: Recording Michael Jackson
Quite interesting stuff.
 
#634
john curl said:
In my reality, what is, is. So when I listen to my audio system and I compare amps, I hear differences in the 'sonic blend' of the amp or what I call 'signature' and I hear it in every amp that I have been exposed to, including my own designs. That is my reality, and I will stick to it.
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I always thought that people where entitled to have their opinions, not their realities...
 
#635
john curl said:
In my reality, what is, is. So when I listen to my audio system and I compare amps, I hear differences in the 'sonic blend' of the amp or what I call 'signature' and I hear it in every amp that I have been exposed to, including my own designs. That is my reality, and I will stick to it.
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Prove it. Or it's just the opinion of some one who sells amps, worthless.
 
#637
Hearing audio differences is my 'reality', not my opinion. Yes, I indirectly make my living designing audio equipment, so I 'could' be biased for audio differences, but I am also far more experienced in audio design and its trade-offs than almost anyone contributing here, and this helps me be MORE OBJECTIVE than most here.
 
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