It's in the RULES I think. Check there. There is also an auto-censor on this forum. Those who try to get around get their ***** smacked.
The part following the ellipsis- about rooms and reverberation (time stuff, which is not a characteristic of amps).
Ah, I looked but it doesn't say, probably won't if they have a word filter anyway. Thanks though, I'm safe 🙂
Edit: Ok, so, if we have to move past amplifiers alone and go into room acoustics, doesn't that idea just by itself blow most of what's being asked here into a million pieces of confetti?
I ask because I just opened a fresh bottle, which may or may not determine if I have to un-subscribe from this thread until tomorrow morning 😉
There's a certain point where it's best to just put people on Ignore status- maybe you'll find that helpful.
We're watching Redbird again tonight on Concert Window, so our drinking will be the happy sort.
Yes, the room and the P.A. can make a HUGE difference in how the musicians play.
Once they have been recorded, not so much.
But tonal differences, group delay (maybe) and woofer Q can influence how we interpret timing in playback. Even EQ can.
Once they have been recorded, not so much.
But tonal differences, group delay (maybe) and woofer Q can influence how we interpret timing in playback. Even EQ can.
I'd agree with that too, speakers can be blamed, rooms can be blamed, careless EQ can be blamed, sound-field-expander-thingamajigs can be blamed, but when you've got a box that only has a power switch, which is, for all intents and purposes flat from DC to 150khz and can even do tricks it's not supposed to do, like, produce almost perfect square waves...it should be the LAST place people look when they're trying to pin down "Rhythm and Pace" or "Soundstage."
Life is too short, if your system is lacking in some manner, start with the BIG culprits; your room, your speakers, the cat sitting in your subwoofer vent...whatever...but it makes little sense to waste all this time on amplifiers, the LEAST responsible, because the levels of these types of things they can affect are so infinitesimally small that they're statistically irrelevant, and 99.999999% of the time completely undetectable under scientifically correct circumstances.
Life is too short, if your system is lacking in some manner, start with the BIG culprits; your room, your speakers, the cat sitting in your subwoofer vent...whatever...but it makes little sense to waste all this time on amplifiers, the LEAST responsible, because the levels of these types of things they can affect are so infinitesimally small that they're statistically irrelevant, and 99.999999% of the time completely undetectable under scientifically correct circumstances.
if that is what it takes to come up with with amps that sounds as people like to hear...
i have seen some Luxman amps wherein the power section doubles up as a tone control..
on another note, i think that voicing the speakers are just as important if not more important than voicing an amp.
As Pano said, this has now become hopeless - the objectivists are nicely settled in their usual bunkers, and have their hands over their ears (hmmm ..) going la-la-la-la-la ...
This is not helping one iota - the poor bloke buys his system with "excellent measurements", takes it home, and hears so many of his treasured recordings sounding pretty crappy, boring, not worth listening to - if he were a smart dude, he should just say, "I think I'll give just this stupid audio game away ..." 😛
This is not helping one iota - the poor bloke buys his system with "excellent measurements", takes it home, and hears so many of his treasured recordings sounding pretty crappy, boring, not worth listening to - if he were a smart dude, he should just say, "I think I'll give just this stupid audio game away ..." 😛
There is an analogy in the car world ... the NVH department - Noise, Vibration, Harshness ... first the engineers design the "ideal" car: brilliant engine, gearbox, suspension, etc. But, the car is total crap as a place to be in, while driving ... so, the NVH fellows get to work, and sort out all the rough edges left by those "brilliant" engineers, 😀, ensuring that the vehicle is a place that people enjoy being inside of, while it performs its 'engineered' functions ...
Oh, I've got anything but my hands over my ears, if anything, I'm cupping them with my hands with every ounce of my attention span, waiting for someone to show up with some kind of scientifically verifiable test that demonstrates an audio amplifier can affect the pace, timing, or....pretty much any fluffy term used to "describe" an amplifier.
All ears. ALL. No covering, just waiting.
No, rather that it takes care of what could be called the secondary engineering details - the primary engineering made, say, the engine extremely responsive, highly fuel efficient, all those good, standard engineering things - but it's sitting on standard engine blocks, and in a certain rev range the remaining engine vibration gets transmitted to the body of the car, an unpleasant resonance is felt by the passengers. The NVH people isolate what's going on, and modify the rubber compound used in the block, or change its shape - problem fixed! The engine still performs as well as before, but it no longer has 'unpleasant artifacts' occurring while operating as intended.
So really "usability" guys.
Yeah, that's completely understandable...and perhaps we should have stuff like that here so all the domestic stuff we make isn't absolute crap so we have to re-brand your stuff, like the Mondeo.
But audio amplifiers...meh. We'd have to be able to determine that there's something actually wrong with them before we set off to change them for usability's sake, right? So, where's the guy that's going to demonstrate in some way that amplifiers are bad until we pass them through a "department of amplifier coolness" or whatever..it starts to sound silly when you really really think about it, right?
I can't be alone here.
Edit: Modeo...blarg, I meant Monero..
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Well, no, this thread is named "Voicing an amplifier", so different amplifier output impedance do change the sound (voice) of the amplifier. Yes, it is known long time ago: put 1-ohm resistor between the amplifier and the loudspeakers, and Qts goes up, which immediately turns timing down - slowing bass impact and loosing punch. (Wimpy power supply has similar effect.) Effect of higher Qts is known since Thiele and Small.
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