I have to agree with that the mid of tannoy ceoncentric it lacks definition and inner detailes and some resolution BUT dynamic wise, its pretty much amazing. I still think the tannoy mid is inviting, sweet sounding, and while less detailed, the presence, the dynamic, the weight, ect still makes it overall great. I could say a tannoy red 15 inch has a great mid. BUT, I havent heard any other tannoy concentric, just one of the most reputated 15 red, so maybe the mid really changes within the line (gold, red, silver, ect).
about bigger mids. I use the audax pr170 mo, a 6 1/2 mid xo at 400hz and 5khz. Its the best mid ive heard in my room yet. Whether it comes from the fact that the audax sounds really good, or simply because of the diameter anyhow, in my experience, I like bigger mids then smaller. It sounds more natural and real.
I dont like harbeth shl5 for example with a 3 inch mid. It stresses me. I can never totally feel envelopped in the sound. but I have not heard a whole lot of 3 ways.
Last edited:
Most of the folks arguing about this aren't going to use waveguided tweeters, which are about the only way IMO one should use anything larger than a 6.5" mid, especially if 3 or more drivers (per side) are allowed. Given that, dispersion matching between a flat-baffled tweeter and any mid over 5" is going to be a joke.
If anyone wants to try, see if you can find a tweeter+mid combo that have the same dispersion characteristic (i.e. no beaming) at the crossover point. Many 5.25" mids can't do it, even with the help of a tough tweeter like the SB29RDNC or the Millenium.
I've got one Delta 8a - it might do ok as a mid with a WG and compression driver. My ferrite L. Cao F6 speaker is more sensitive than the Eminence. Like CLS, I've enjoyed a 12" guitar speaker.
Last edited:
Cone diameter for a mid really isn't important as long as it is used correctly. I'm using AE TD15Ms as mids, they're crossed low enough that there isn't a directivity mismatch.
Of course, but then it's the wrong way to design a speaker. A dome is almost unusable unless you waveguide it or cross above the purely omni region, but in the latter case you could just use a smaller dome with a waveguide and have a better performing speaker =)
Look at this link: HR3 Monitor System | OceanWay Audio
HR3 monitor has xover points at 80Hz and 650Hz. Everything is in one loudspeaker cabinet. It is a three way loudspeaker. Geddes realises that deataching woofers from bassmid-midhigh cabinet can get better control over low frequencies in small rooms. His approach is superior to OceanWay HR3 which is made to be compact (if we can call loudspeaker of that size a compact one 🙂 ). To me, Geddlee Harper/Nathan/Abbey/NS15 are useless without woofers (with exception of NS15 ported cabinet) so they are three way speakers. If you wanna call them woofer/satellite be my guest but that doesn't change a thing because satellites are useless without woofers. It is three way system regardless of what we call it.
Last edited:
This thread is about 6.5" midranges and is there good enough reason to use loudspeaker unit of that size for that operating range - regardless if it is forced to cover lower frequencies or not. We are going a little off topic now and then but not too much IMO.
My oppinion is that almost every size of midrange unit is good if it is used properly. I don't consider direct radiator tweeters for my system for a long time now because i like the precision and energy of a good compression driver/waveguide combo so i'm not forced to use smaller midrange drivers. Larger midrange units have that weight in voice that suites my personal taste. Smaller midrange units sounds a little anemic to me so i choose my poison and trying not to poo on other people choices 🙂 cause i understand that we do not like same stuff. On paper i would choose smaller midrange too but when it comes to music listening, i prefer the sound of larger midrange.
cheers
I agree totally. Anemic is a good word. There a something I can never point when listening to small mids that makes me nervous, not at ease. I much prefer big. I would take a 12 inch mid before a 3 inch mid for sure. not even a question.
A two way satellite + bass only speaker is a three way speaker.
Just plant the satellite on top of the bass only and adjust position to get correct phase at crossover to the bass.
Now add some more bass only speakers around the room to getter better bass.
You still have a three way speaker.
Just plant the satellite on top of the bass only and adjust position to get correct phase at crossover to the bass.
Now add some more bass only speakers around the room to getter better bass.
You still have a three way speaker.
Do you use it in a horn or as direct radiator ? What do you use for bass and as tweeter ? Any pics maybe ?
Too many questions in one post
In that case you better use a horn or a waveguide to get down to 1-1,2KHz. JBL 4355 has 12" (JBL 2202H) midrange crossed over at 1.2KHz. Mms of arround 50gr. It sounds great.
It could be an interesting project using miniDSP and few components. I think that they use TAD 4001 compression drivers but i'm not sure - JBL 244* can work too. I'd say that subs are 2 pieces of Eminence LAB12, for 15" bassmid i can't be sure but it looks like JBL 2226H to me. We know that xover frequencies are 80 and 650 Hz. Put Yuichi A290S and with little fiddling with miniDSP you can have OceanWay HR3 monitor sound 😉
Steve Vai is using them in his own studio 🙂
Studio Tour - Steve Vai's Harmony Hut - YouTube
That's what happens when you have a guy in music bussines with a lot of money that really appreciates good sound 🙂
Last edited:
Conceptually, the HR3 is my kind of speaker. Mid-bass and Low Bass are treated individually. More often than not, there's too much emphasis on how low a speaker can go. Where music is concerned, there's a lot of information in the mid-bass. 50Hz and below add to the fullness but the bulk is in the mid-bass.
A larger mid-bass woofer also has the advantage of a "bigger" and more relaxed Vocals. Smaller mid-woofers sound "thin" by comparison.
Having a larger mid-woofer also means lower crossover for the highs. Most of the time, horn loaded compression drivers are used instead of dome tweeters.
Ages ago, the JBL 4341 was a four way Studio Monitor. It has a 15" for bass, a 10" for vocals crossed to a JBL 2440 for upper mids and highs and finally a slot tweeter for the ultra highs. BIG Sound.
JBL 4345 is virtually the same only with 18" woofer. That is, along with Oris Swing, the second best loudspeaker i've heard (the first being JBL 4355 😉 )
lolDo you use it in a horn or as direct radiator ? What do you use for bass and as tweeter ? Any pics maybe ?
Too many questions in one post
yeah, direct radiotor
I use on the bottom a beyma 12 br 70 and on top a supertweeter the pr-120
I use minidsp for digital xo for the mid/bass, passive for the mid/tweeter. They will be replaced by reference 3a decapo mm be this month though. I could never get the bass/mid integration as good as a great 2-way, hence my move back to 2-way and I have a small room so better use a smaller 2-way in near field setup.
but I will miss dearly the mid of the audax and might re use it one day. Its simply the most natural mid Ive heard so far., but limited in the low end around 400hz.
Attachments
Last edited:
when was the new beyma released?
My box is vented for the beyma. Maybe you could help with the passive xo? Im really not able to build a good xo.
I got the audax omega 15 to replace the beyma and go in the 3 way, but never got around to build the passive xo, I dont trust myself.
Last edited:
Don't trust yourself. In measuring gear and our own ear we trust 🙂
I don't really know when was it released. Friend of mine asked me to calculate for him -3dB point in closed 110 L cabinet for 12BR70. I came up with a number at arround 75Hz if i remember correctly and he said that WinISD gave him totally different thing - something arround 45Hz. I checked and realised that my TS parameters aren't the same as the one on the Beyma website.
I found out that few weeks ago.
I don't really know when was it released. Friend of mine asked me to calculate for him -3dB point in closed 110 L cabinet for 12BR70. I came up with a number at arround 75Hz if i remember correctly and he said that WinISD gave him totally different thing - something arround 45Hz. I checked and realised that my TS parameters aren't the same as the one on the Beyma website.
I found out that few weeks ago.
Last edited:
- Status
- Not open for further replies.