These are the best speakers I have ever heard:
Wilmslow Audio Prestige Platinum. 12" volt driver, ATC mid, and Scanspeak tweeter with waveguide. Freq response 20hz to 35kHz, my search is over.
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Wilmslow Audio Prestige Platinum. 12" volt driver, ATC mid, and Scanspeak tweeter with waveguide. Freq response 20hz to 35kHz, my search is over.
Did you hear them in that space depicted in the image? If yes, that's a lot of flat hard reflective surface between the speakers, which causes high magnitude of reflections arriving soon after on-axis output, which reflections the ear perceives as noise/distortion.
AFAIK such defects prevent high quality center image and spatial effects.
Well they are still the best speakers I have ever heard, so your point is?
Incidentally the red, green and blue panels are 4" thick Rockwool and they do a great job of damping those reflections you talk about.
Incidentally the red, green and blue panels are 4" thick Rockwool and they do a great job of damping those reflections you talk about.
My point is the image portrays a setup less than ideal. However much you liked the performance, much was left on the table as a result of the less than ideal setup, specifically multiple large, flat reflective surfaces with high magnitude reflections arriving so close in time to on-axis energy that the ear would perceive it as noise/distortion. Generally, the minimum target range for pleasurable reflected energy is about 10ms. Reflection delayed 10ms or longer can and do greatly increase listening pleasure in every coveted audiophile category.
The rock wool behind the speakers is fine and good and helpful. It's possible though, that no dresser and no rock wool on the wall is a net gain. Even though the wall surface area exceeds dresser area, wall reflections are lower in magnitude vs. the dresser (wall behind the speaker/dresser in front of the speaker), and delayed longer than the dresser. It's kind of like putting three fantastic tires on the car with one really crummy tire. You'd be better off with four mid-level tires, much better.
The center reflections from that dresser delay only about 1ms. The ear can not differentiate the reflection from on-axis, so it simply confuses the ear and sounds like noise/distortion, the opposite of pleasurable.
It's fine that you are apparently not familiar with the issue I describe. I did not point it out for any nefarious reason.
I'm not the smartest person, but I'm smart enough not to contradict you saying those are the best speakers you ever heard. You'd have a hard time convincing me though that that was a good setup, because it's fairly awful, regardless your subjective reaction.
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If they are the best speakers he's heard, for now, then good for him 🙂 We don't know what he's heard before !
no harms done seriously. you inform him for better. speaker placement.
That fourniture is about the worst thing you can have in between speakers. only solution is remove it or have the speakers way off the wall so that the front baffle is ahead of the furniture
In my experience, speaker placement is as important as the speaker. especially for bass performance and imaging.
and, the treatment in his room is not even close to be thick enough to help anything in the bass department.
Since he loves his speaker in this less then ideal situation, he should try different speaker placement ect. in my experience, it makes a tremendous difference. like a whole different speaker difference.
Some years ago, at the Quark Hotel Milano Top Audio fair, I meet one of the best speakers I ever heard. It was a single driver louspeaker, a very particular back loaded horn, in a de luxe enclosure, resembling a truncated pyramid of sorts. If memory doesn't fail, the driver was a Fostex, custom made, 8" unit. I was never a fan of the single speaker type, but this one truly amazed me. I think the brand name was GEA and there were two models, I'm talking about the bigger one. Unfortunately can't find any references on the Internet
ro9397, I don't understand why you have singled me out and are being so unnecessarily unpleasant.
This thread is about posting a picture of the best speaker you ever heard, and this is as such. If they were still in their shipping crates and I posted a picture, they would still be the best speaker I have ever heard. I'm really sorry that the dresser offends you in such a dramatic manner, but your rant is off topic and most unwelcome.
You assumed that I chose the best possible photo of my listening environment, and willingly submitted it for your unique brand of damning critique.
You also assumed that I actually have no experience of other pro audio equipment (despite evidently owning a $10,000 pair of speakers) and used that assumption to patronise me. Neither of these are true.
You then go on to assume that I don't know a thing about psychoacoustics, however this is also not true as I have a degree in audio engineering and know exactly what you are talking about. So much so that I questioned it's relevance to this thread.
I'm guessing you also assumed the dresser is nothing more than an act of poor taste, arbitrarily placed there purely out of ignorance. The fact is that the dresser was stuffed with very dense fabric to act as a bass trap as I was experimenting with acoustic treatment in this particular room until I found a sound comfortable to work with day in day out.
So 4 assumptions, all of them incorrect. Your point is?
This thread is about posting a picture of the best speaker you ever heard, and this is as such. If they were still in their shipping crates and I posted a picture, they would still be the best speaker I have ever heard. I'm really sorry that the dresser offends you in such a dramatic manner, but your rant is off topic and most unwelcome.
You assumed that I chose the best possible photo of my listening environment, and willingly submitted it for your unique brand of damning critique.
You also assumed that I actually have no experience of other pro audio equipment (despite evidently owning a $10,000 pair of speakers) and used that assumption to patronise me. Neither of these are true.
You then go on to assume that I don't know a thing about psychoacoustics, however this is also not true as I have a degree in audio engineering and know exactly what you are talking about. So much so that I questioned it's relevance to this thread.
I'm guessing you also assumed the dresser is nothing more than an act of poor taste, arbitrarily placed there purely out of ignorance. The fact is that the dresser was stuffed with very dense fabric to act as a bass trap as I was experimenting with acoustic treatment in this particular room until I found a sound comfortable to work with day in day out.
So 4 assumptions, all of them incorrect. Your point is?
murphythecat8, i didn't mention at any point that the rockwool was to help with bass management. I did mention that it was helping to control high frequency reflections.
I dont want to be offending, but putting acoutic treatment in a wooden box will most likely result in absolutely nothing because waves will reflect on the wooden box, so the treatment in the dresser will at best, do very little. Bass traps are more effective in corners as bass builds up in corners. Your much better taking away the dresser (in my opinion, this is really important as your dressser is too huge), put the bass trap in the corners and try to put your speaker as away from the front wall as possible, ideally 5 feet, but dont be crazy, 3 feet is good enough in my experience.
I'm happy for your speaker, im sure they sound stunning.
I think ro9397 was only trying to help you.
I'm happy for your speaker, im sure they sound stunning.
I think ro9397 was only trying to help you.
I don't agree that nothing should be between speakers. Physical separation of channels is beneficial for imaging. If anything, he needs to put a bigger dresser. Even better, put suggested bass traps between speakers, as a divider.
Very nice speakers Thommy !
Don't think the dresser will influence the sound that much , it's way of axis of the drivers . I have a similar setup with a large old fashioned widescreen TV in the middle of the speakers and listened with and without the TV in the center , couldn't hear any difference 🙂 sounds stunning either way !
Cheers ,
Rens
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Dressers between speakers is a long-known and highly regarded audiophile accessory, well known to improve performance in every way. I don't know how or why anyone would not pile as many hard reflective surfaces between speakers as possible, including every shape of dresser known to mankind.
/sarc off
/sarc off
Compared to the dresser, how "far off" axis is the front wall with acoustic absorption for reflections? This gets curioser and curioser. By your metric, you would hear "no difference" with or without either front wall or side wall first reflection point absorption/dispersion (farther off-axis vs. the dresser, way farther).
By "old fashioned" I presume you mean rear projector, estimate 50"? Was this behemoth in front of the speaker baffle or behind?
Don't agree with who? Who said "nothing should be between speakers?
Absolutely not if it was naked. Only if it was very well damped.
Agreed.
No I mean just a CRT ! it's still working fine and it's 78 cm's so that's about 30 inches 😛 I have no knowledge of the word "behemoth" nor did Google give me any clue . Please explain . My limited IQ suggested that it had anything to do with the Rottie displayed in the picture .
And read MY conclusion , I'm not stating Anything here , I hear NO difference with or without the TV in center of the speakers .
Boy 🙂 what a discussion about a bloody dresser 😀
Cheers ,
Rens
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Hi great speakers you have ! may i ask the model of the Tannoy DC you have used ?
Thanks and regards, gino
Hi
The dresser should be a good spot for power amps with suitable ventilation , if they are not directly behind the speakers already, thereby shortening speaker cables, and generally improving the audio system.
Also a good spot to hide if you are in the mood for that.
Cheers / Chris
The dresser should be a good spot for power amps with suitable ventilation , if they are not directly behind the speakers already, thereby shortening speaker cables, and generally improving the audio system.
Also a good spot to hide if you are in the mood for that.
Cheers / Chris
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