I have an album purchased in MP3 format as that is the only format this album is now available in .
I used to have it in vinyl back in the '70s...... it's a relatively obscure local band and no vinyl copies are now to be found
However, my CD deck (NAD) seems to be happier playing CD files instead of mp3s..... even though it supports them.
Some mp3 discs it will not recognize at all .
It plays any burned audio CDs just fine though
It is just less contrived playing CDs on the NAD
Will any (more) music content be lost converting MP3 to CD.?
I used to have it in vinyl back in the '70s...... it's a relatively obscure local band and no vinyl copies are now to be found
However, my CD deck (NAD) seems to be happier playing CD files instead of mp3s..... even though it supports them.
Some mp3 discs it will not recognize at all .
It plays any burned audio CDs just fine though
It is just less contrived playing CDs on the NAD
Will any (more) music content be lost converting MP3 to CD.?
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No, it won't lose any more.
Of course nothing will be gained either, other than the happier deck.
Of course nothing will be gained either, other than the happier deck.
Hi
What band and album ? There should be little further loss converting to audio. Try using a good burning program like K3B which if you do not have Linux already can be run by loading Linux Mint on to a USB
using unetbootin ,then download K3B. Main Page - Linux Mint
Mint is a very nice operating system too.
Cheers / Chris
What band and album ? There should be little further loss converting to audio. Try using a good burning program like K3B which if you do not have Linux already can be run by loading Linux Mint on to a USB
using unetbootin ,then download K3B. Main Page - Linux Mint
Mint is a very nice operating system too.
Cheers / Chris
Tree Fox - Rough Road
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BTW, I was just going to use "CD Burner XP"..... which also supports Win 7/8-64bit.
It's a very good freeware burning program that I have used for a few years. Among other things, it creates audio CDs. from....... MP3, WAV, OGG, FLAC, WMA, APE, MPC, WV (WavPack), ALAC (Apple Lossless)
https://cdburnerxp.se/en/home
Free Music Online - Internet Radio - Jango
BTW, I was just going to use "CD Burner XP"..... which also supports Win 7/8-64bit.
It's a very good freeware burning program that I have used for a few years. Among other things, it creates audio CDs. from....... MP3, WAV, OGG, FLAC, WMA, APE, MPC, WV (WavPack), ALAC (Apple Lossless)
https://cdburnerxp.se/en/home
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Their album rough Road is available as a Flac file https://xiph.org/flac/
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Cheers / Chris
Tree Fox | Rough Road | CD Baby Music Store
Cheers / Chris
CD Burner XP is a good choice for many reasons, I've been using it for years. When you burn MP3's to CD Audio you won't lose or gain anything as far as resolution or quality, in essence, it will sound the same as the original MP3 with all of it's limitations.
Mike
Mike
Actually, i don't think a Flac file will sound any better than the high, variable bit rate mp3 files that I already have have.
As I remember the original vinyl was not the very best quality recording to begin with..
My V-15 type IV on a Thorens 160 revealed its limitations.
As I remember the original vinyl was not the very best quality recording to begin with..
My V-15 type IV on a Thorens 160 revealed its limitations.
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Yes, it's a great piece of freeware that is frequently improved. 🙂
Anyway, I just burned an audio CD (with a 5 sec delay between songs)
and to be honest, after playing a couple of songs, I can not tell the difference between it and the mp3s.
I'm not surprised you can hear no difference because when it's done correctly, there is no difference, but as I said it still has all of the limitations of the MP3 files it was burned from.
As far as not believing that FLAC files won't sound any better, if your playback equipment is up to the task, the differences in quality are hard to miss. Remember that FLAC stands for "Free LOSSLESS Audio Encoder", so CD Audio disks burned from FLAC are bit for bit identical to the originals.
Mike
As far as not believing that FLAC files won't sound any better, if your playback equipment is up to the task, the differences in quality are hard to miss. Remember that FLAC stands for "Free LOSSLESS Audio Encoder", so CD Audio disks burned from FLAC are bit for bit identical to the originals.
Mike
To be honest, the only experience I have with digital audio files are MP3, WMA and CDA
So.. I got the FLAC files from the link that was posed by Chris Daly
They were mastered by Ed Littman and he is supposed to be well regarded.
After converting them to CDA. and listening to a couple of files with head phones, I could not definitively tell if they were better, although, I did think I heard subtle improvements here and there.
Tomorrow, when I can run it through my amp and speakers and make some noise , I will be able to judge better. 🙂
So.. I got the FLAC files from the link that was posed by Chris Daly
They were mastered by Ed Littman and he is supposed to be well regarded.
After converting them to CDA. and listening to a couple of files with head phones, I could not definitively tell if they were better, although, I did think I heard subtle improvements here and there.
Tomorrow, when I can run it through my amp and speakers and make some noise , I will be able to judge better. 🙂
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BTW, isn't CDA its self still a limiting factor?
So, can a high bit rate mp3 really be much worse than CDA from FLAC?
So, can a high bit rate mp3 really be much worse than CDA from FLAC?
It's not only bit rate. MP3 encoding is lossy - it discards a significant amount of the original data.
Mike
Mike
OK.....
At this point ...unable to do a direct A-B comparison and have to swich CDs..........
Both Mp3 and FLAC ..both converted to CDA sound about the same. There are very subtle differences at best
I will have to burn the same song in both formats on a CD so I can do a better quick A-B comparison.
Anyway, like i said......, I had the vinyl and it was sealed when i got it .
As I remember, the recording quality was not the best to begin with in comparison to other top quality vinyl of the day played in my high end system
In any event, it has been a learning experience. Thanks to all. 🙂
At this point ...unable to do a direct A-B comparison and have to swich CDs..........
Both Mp3 and FLAC ..both converted to CDA sound about the same. There are very subtle differences at best
I will have to burn the same song in both formats on a CD so I can do a better quick A-B comparison.
Anyway, like i said......, I had the vinyl and it was sealed when i got it .
As I remember, the recording quality was not the best to begin with in comparison to other top quality vinyl of the day played in my high end system
In any event, it has been a learning experience. Thanks to all. 🙂
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I also recommend you look carefully at your source material. The current mind set of the majority of music producers is "I WANT IT LOUD!!!", so there has been a constant degradation in the quality of commercial releases over the past couple of decades.
I'm kinda pi$$ed off about the way music producers are always re-issuing a lot of my favorite old classic rock recordings as "Digitally Remastered" bastardizations of formally listenable recordings. They compress all of the music right out of the original recording.
Most of the CD's I purchased over the last few years sound like CRAP! And I'm mad as hell about it.
OK, end of rant.
So the main point I'm trying to make is , be sure your source material is good enough to be able to discern a difference between lossy and non-lossy compression formats.
Mike
I'm kinda pi$$ed off about the way music producers are always re-issuing a lot of my favorite old classic rock recordings as "Digitally Remastered" bastardizations of formally listenable recordings. They compress all of the music right out of the original recording.
Most of the CD's I purchased over the last few years sound like CRAP! And I'm mad as hell about it.
OK, end of rant.
So the main point I'm trying to make is , be sure your source material is good enough to be able to discern a difference between lossy and non-lossy compression formats.
Mike
Yeah....
Since we now have digital remasters converted to vinyls.....
One also must wonder what the source was for any given FLAC file
The source for a FLAC can be a MP3 for all we know.
It seems like far too many want to sell garbage audio to the ignorant masses.
I can't help but wonder what the source was for the FLAC files I just got
The only thing we can trust to be true to the original are OP of vinyl.
Since we now have digital remasters converted to vinyls.....
One also must wonder what the source was for any given FLAC file
The source for a FLAC can be a MP3 for all we know.
It seems like far too many want to sell garbage audio to the ignorant masses.
I can't help but wonder what the source was for the FLAC files I just got
The only thing we can trust to be true to the original are OP of vinyl.
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Hi,
FLAC converted to CDA should be bit for bit identical to CD.
MP3 converted to CDA will be MP3 on CD, not as good.
Indeed the problem with all files is knowing the history.
And any transfers of vinyl are very much dependent
on the source quality, independent of the encoding.
rgds, sreten.
FLAC converted to CDA should be bit for bit identical to CD.
MP3 converted to CDA will be MP3 on CD, not as good.
Indeed the problem with all files is knowing the history.
And any transfers of vinyl are very much dependent
on the source quality, independent of the encoding.
rgds, sreten.
If the mp3 is of sufficient bit rate, the difference in quality is very easy to miss. In fact, most people (unless specially trained to listen for very subtle clues) will not be able to hear a difference between a mp3 file and a lossless file in blind listening tests.
"You're blind, oh yeah
For the fact that you're watching that garbage"
Public Enemy, She Watch Channel 0
For the fact that you're watching that garbage"
Public Enemy, She Watch Channel 0
But only data that would be inaudible because of masking (especially at higher bit rates).
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