I did not say the delay was difficult to calculate. I said you have mistaken the prop velocity in air with the geometric realization of localization. Think of a triangle with one side 6 inches, one side 10 feet, and vary the other side above and below 10 feet. How much delta on one 10 foot side is required to move the point at the far end of the triangle 6 inches to one side?
Most product is panned with intensity only.
That doesn't alter the fact that humans are sensitive to interaural timing delays, and use such content to image a source in space.
I am not interested in badly phrased strawman arguments. Please stick to the subject.
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About intensity panning: I vaguely remember a derivation by Blumlein (?) that shows that intensity differences translate into the appropriate phase shift in a stereo setup, but don't have the paper anymore and Google is ignorant. Anybody has access to it? Would love to look at it again.
You portraying yourself as the know it all and being rude towards others and posting in a snake oil thread without being on topic. Stop trying to play the victim here. When Pete says just use zip wire and enjoy the music you even jump on him. Get over yourself. Like I asked before GOT ANY SNAKE OIL LINKS TO SHOW US? I suppose you don't yet you want to continue off topic. Could you make your own thread and take this discussion there?
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Really?
Since when does having an understanding of E/M theory become "knowing it all"??
Stop with the diversionary schtick, it's waaay too obvious.
Pointing out your bad behaviour is now "playing the victim"?
Do you have a checklist of strawman, badgering, and diversionary tactics that you are following, or are you just making things up on the fly??
If you don't like somebody raining on your parade, either go inside or get an umbrella.
jn
I can't see how they'd translate into phase shift, perhaps they mean mimic? That'd be an interesting read.
jn
There's a way of disagreeing with someone who knows what they're talking about. First step is to understand their argument. Second step is to present some analysis or data to refute it.
I disagree with John, but I at least bothered to take the first step.
It is just so amusing. Audible improvements can certainly be made with room treatments, better speakers, DA converters, and possibly even a better amplifier. All of these things are very real. The Schiit Modi for example, has an AKM 4396 chip, usb plug and play, 99 dollars, this is REAL, and so inexpensive it could be substituted for bs if one has aquired a taste for bs. Other real tweaks, JRiver media player has so many ways to address your hardware and impeccable dsp, audible stuff perhaps!!! Cables and Flybees are not needed there are real tangible improvements with no fairy dust that can be made for intelligent audiophiles, no reason to resort to "no reason" we have minds, rational minds, oh well maybe we do.
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So that makes two to make happy, hope someone has it on file. It is a rather lengthy piece of trigonometry.
The ones of which I speak are the ones made for the cockpit. Same technology as their consumer ones you were able to try.
Bose | A20® Aviation Headset | Headphones. The only thing snake oil about them is their price.
LightSpeed seems more popular due to the cost of Bose. David Clark the old standby.
Schmit is new to me. Checking it out. Much thanks.
I don't know the AKM chip. I prefer the BB over the Wolfson, so where does that put the AKM? Using Grado's which are a bit rough on less than great electronics. I figure my "Muse" Chinese special is due for an upgrade. DAC is fine, but the chip-amp output could be better.
Darn black WEB site. Almost impossible to read. I will give them some feedback on that!
I do indeed understand "Jimmy Nuetrons" theory & effect but I believe it's likened to a hairdresser deciding if a single hair is "out of place".
I think the focus towards "perfection" resides in the Magic that is the Loudspeaker.....our devices that literally transform one form of energy into another, quite the feat! As such, it makes for the vast majority of an AUDIBLE change....a lack of exactness. The amplification along the "string" suffers from the lack of exactly linear devices......sadly.
Onto the "snake oil" is the FR crowd insisting their devices are the cats meow with their Egyptian cotton cone structures, Bataan ONLY rubber derived surrounds, blah, blah,blah. Granted, it is probably a bell curve on frequency range, that which falls into the mid-frequencies is the ones were most aware & sensitive to......but $2000 rice-paper cones? Gimme a break will ya!
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I think the focus towards "perfection" resides in the Magic that is the Loudspeaker.....our devices that literally transform one form of energy into another, quite the feat! As such, it makes for the vast majority of an AUDIBLE change....a lack of exactness. The amplification along the "string" suffers from the lack of exactly linear devices......sadly.
Onto the "snake oil" is the FR crowd insisting their devices are the cats meow with their Egyptian cotton cone structures, Bataan ONLY rubber derived surrounds, blah, blah,blah. Granted, it is probably a bell curve on frequency range, that which falls into the mid-frequencies is the ones were most aware & sensitive to......but $2000 rice-paper cones? Gimme a break will ya!
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Not the maker of the chip, but the cold hard specs. Akm4396, damn fine sounding as are many of the crop of da units from cs wolf et al... the last few years. The lone opamp used in that box is also nice, there is really not much to keep that little da from sounding great. Funny though in this case a nice short decent usb cable or a powered one might actually help, it is bus powered and some machines could conceivably need a better than dollar store usb cable. A good place for a whole snake oil 20 dollar usb cable perhaps 🙂
Here's pure snake-oil...........Would you pay $1645 US dollars for this thing? A six-inch driver? Given that any one individual can buy baskets, in any shape size & materials by the thousands? Then buy magnet assemblies, any size shape & style, anything you want, by the ton, cones, surrounds, spiders, voice-coils, ALL OF IT.........mix & match......Presto! The "Ultimate" full Range driver.
With baskets costing you $1.88 each, coils $.71 , Magnet assemblies $ 2.66 .......Well you get the picture! This one is an OBVIOUS amalgamation of said parts considering how it looks from the back.
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With baskets costing you $1.88 each, coils $.71 , Magnet assemblies $ 2.66 .......Well you get the picture! This one is an OBVIOUS amalgamation of said parts considering how it looks from the back.
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DavidL is right in one (crucial) point. You are OT in this thread.
You haven’t contributed a single ml of snake oil.
Unproven theory doesn’t qualify for snake oil, unless you market your special cable and charge some $$$ per inch of length, providing no relevant measurement.
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I agree that the price is bunkers, but the basket and whizzer look like bespoke parts. Not that it matters much, I wouldn't buy a speaker like that even if it only cost 45 USD.
I agree that the price is bunkers, but the basket and whizzer look like bespoke parts. Not that it matters much, I wouldn't buy a speaker like that even if it only cost 45 USD.
I can see how making some of the above speakers could get into real money, super tight tolerences, high failure rate, what I dont really understand is the whole single driver thing, kind of snakey to me given the uneven top end they all have.
I didn't mean to imply you were on that path. But you are posting on a thread called "Funniest snake oil theories", so I guess I assumed you were giving a tutorial. 😀
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