STEM grads ?
Majority of the examples I've seen pass by in the previous 1.5 decade, have a BS personality, a BS background, and a BS degree.
Plunkett : engineer
Casher (in) : BS communicator degree
(My brother in law has a BS degree, cashed-in on 2 private equity deals. Bought a 2nd home in France a week ago, 30 miles above Marseille. As of januari 1st, he'll delegate half the corporate hours behind a skype laptop. Nice guy, and a total BS artist)
Majority of the examples I've seen pass by in the previous 1.5 decade, have a BS personality, a BS background, and a BS degree.
Plunkett : engineer
Casher (in) : BS communicator degree
(My brother in law has a BS degree, cashed-in on 2 private equity deals. Bought a 2nd home in France a week ago, 30 miles above Marseille. As of januari 1st, he'll delegate half the corporate hours behind a skype laptop. Nice guy, and a total BS artist)
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Jacco, I don't agree that most STEM grads are BS artists. Absolutely not.
Most of them go into uni and do a STEM degree because they are bright and have a natural flair for science and math.
Then they graduate, and there's a guy in a dark suit with sparkly white teeth offering them an easy path to high(er) earnings . . . and there they go.
Most of them go into uni and do a STEM degree because they are bright and have a natural flair for science and math.
Then they graduate, and there's a guy in a dark suit with sparkly white teeth offering them an easy path to high(er) earnings . . . and there they go.
See the darkon theory developed by Steve Mann at MIT a few years back.
Steve Mann, MIT E15-389, Saturday, April 1, 1995)
Published on 1st of April 😀😀
Treat engineers like absolute crap (even PhD ones) and wonder why kids won't go into engineering. Do a law or accountancy degree and the future is golden.
Absolutely same here in my country.
I don't agree that most STEM grads are BS artists.
Mr Russell,
you misinterpreted my words.
My message was that most of the whipped-up private equity and stock dicks are BS's.
The STEM's I studied with, started up their own shipping company right after graduation (maritime business), sold it off for 8 figures 5 years later.
Others did a PhD after their MsC, then went to work for an offshore company, 50 engineers under them from day 1, with a 5 1/2 -figure salary.
Sympathico and Brilliant, and no need for BS. Here you go : Clemens Van Der Nat | LinkedIn
(a former class mate was vice-president of Schiphol airport for a while, btw : http://www.linkedin.com/pub/marike-van-lier-lels/a/b64/195)
The ones I'm close with who do 6 figures/stocks/options are talkers, but far from geniuses. Pardon my French. YMMV.
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Most engineers shoot themselves in the foot by not realizing, early on, that it is more important to be able to communicate well, and to then do so, loudly and often, than it is to be technically proficient.
See Jan Didden's blog, here, "Don't be such a scientist", at:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/blogs/jan-didden/297-dont-such-scientist.html
It's an excellent read and hints strongly at the truth, i.e. that it's probably OUR fault that everything is so screwed up, exactly because we are either not good-enough at communicating or we have been unwilling to do enough of it, effectively-enough. And by "we", I mean all of the science, engineering, and technology types of people.
Read the blog. Change your attitude. Develop your communication skills if necessary. Get involved. Change the world (or take over the world). Otherwise, shut up, bend over, and take it.
See Jan Didden's blog, here, "Don't be such a scientist", at:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/blogs/jan-didden/297-dont-such-scientist.html
It's an excellent read and hints strongly at the truth, i.e. that it's probably OUR fault that everything is so screwed up, exactly because we are either not good-enough at communicating or we have been unwilling to do enough of it, effectively-enough. And by "we", I mean all of the science, engineering, and technology types of people.
Read the blog. Change your attitude. Develop your communication skills if necessary. Get involved. Change the world (or take over the world). Otherwise, shut up, bend over, and take it.
Gootee,
I think what engineers need to learn or unlearn depending on how you want to look at it is risk taking. Most engineers are taught from the beginning to limit risks, to take the safe path and have a large safety margin. This clearly doesn't work on the business side of entrepreneurship, where most things are a risk, there really are no guarantees that you will make money or your idea will be a success. Yes you still need to understand the basics of business finance and venture capital, but if you are always looking for a secure position then you just can't or won't allow yourself the chance of failure. I know of nobody who hasn't failed before being successful, you learn by the mistakes and these create the opening to make the decisions that will come later that give success. Disruptive technology rarely will come from a safe approach to engineering, you have to look outside of the safe position.
I think what engineers need to learn or unlearn depending on how you want to look at it is risk taking. Most engineers are taught from the beginning to limit risks, to take the safe path and have a large safety margin. This clearly doesn't work on the business side of entrepreneurship, where most things are a risk, there really are no guarantees that you will make money or your idea will be a success. Yes you still need to understand the basics of business finance and venture capital, but if you are always looking for a secure position then you just can't or won't allow yourself the chance of failure. I know of nobody who hasn't failed before being successful, you learn by the mistakes and these create the opening to make the decisions that will come later that give success. Disruptive technology rarely will come from a safe approach to engineering, you have to look outside of the safe position.
Gootee,
I think what engineers need to learn or unlearn depending on how you want to look at it is risk taking. Most engineers are taught from the beginning to limit risks, to take the safe path and have a large safety margin. This clearly doesn't work on the business side of entrepreneurship, where most things are a risk, there really are no guarantees that you will make money or your idea will be a success. Yes you still need to understand the basics of business finance and venture capital, but if you are always looking for a secure position then you just can't or won't allow yourself the chance of failure. I know of nobody who hasn't failed before being successful, you learn by the mistakes and these create the opening to make the decisions that will come later that give success. Disruptive technology rarely will come from a safe approach to engineering, you have to look outside of the safe position.
So true! I was just reading up on Amar Bose, and he is a great example of someone with a strong engineering base willing to take risks!
Commenting on the fact that Bose Corp never went public he once said: If I would have been employed, I'd been fired a dozen times before my risktaking ever paid of.
Made his first billion just before the crisis, lost it, got it back in 2011.
We need more guys like him in audio.
jan
Mr Russell,
you misinterpreted my words.
My message was that most of the whipped-up private equity and stock dicks are BS's.
The STEM's I studied with, started up their own shipping company right after graduation (maritime business), sold it off for 8 figures 5 years later.
Others did a PhD after their MsC, then went to work for an offshore company, 50 engineers under them from day 1, with a 5 1/2 -figure salary.
Sympathico and Brilliant, and no need for BS. Here you go : Clemens Van Der Nat | LinkedIn
(a former class mate was vice-president of Schiphol airport for a while, btw : Marike van Lier Lels | LinkedIn)
The ones I'm close with who do 6 figures/stocks/options are talkers, but far from geniuses. Pardon my French. YMMV.
Apologies - I agree with you.
agree
No prob, you're too civilised. I like it rough.

(the 51/2 should read 61/2 btw, typo, Clemens did like $350K a decade ago. paycheck at his current job level nowadays is half a mil minimum. more cash in buying and selling though)
There is a fair chance that many would be psychopaths, according to Dr Robert Hare.I can agree on that one John. I have helped plenty on their way to their millions.
I actually had an Indian 2-stroke dirt bike in mind.🙂
Hard to say, maybe. Could it survive up to 10000 V/m for five or ten microseconds?
Here's a little more information:
http://www.futurescience.com/emp/test184.html
This thread seems to lurch from excessive concern over obscure minutae (which I'd say you can't hear /wont make a difference/thats not the biggest contributor) through to outright paranoia.
😀
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There are many types of nuclear devices... some are designed to be clean (little radiation) and are exploded high over the target -- just an EMP and blast affect directed downward. Nice stuff. Ditto conventional weapons--- some are develped such that if the metal fragments nor the concussion kill you, the residual gases produced will. Nice stuff. It is far beyond just a big bang. There is a specialised weapon/device for every conceivable target.
Life appears so much nicer when you dont know too much of the realities.
Life appears so much nicer when you dont know too much of the realities.
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What may I ask does the last 20 plus comment except Johns Curls have remotely to do with Hi Fi ? the title of this tread has preamplifier in it leading me to at least think it was in some way about electronic and it application .
Necessity is the mother of invention.....
....and necessity is a mother. (Quote stolen from a friend 😎)
Dan.
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