A big ars PSU is never wrong🙂
i have a push-pull class A. wich can deliver 26.4A peak pr ch. THAT is headroom. and with only 24V rails. it can with without problem deliver full power into 0.8ohm.
show me the standar class A/B amp that can do the same😀 a 2X25W class A/B amp that delivers 26A peak. i'd like to see that.
i have a push-pull class A. wich can deliver 26.4A peak pr ch. THAT is headroom. and with only 24V rails. it can with without problem deliver full power into 0.8ohm.
show me the standar class A/B amp that can do the same😀 a 2X25W class A/B amp that delivers 26A peak. i'd like to see that.
Yours is running class AB If its delivering 26 amps. Either that or you have O/P stage biased to 13amps
Sliding bias won't make it easier to achieve classA sound, but SE-A1 will, because good sound easily achieved by classA not because of its 360dg conductivity, and many class A amps also sounded so bad and high freq fatiguing.Malcolm Hill's sliding bias (see Ben Duncan's book). But why are you not using the best of both worlds like the Technics SE-A1 topology.
Negative feedback in delayed system if not carefully applied do have much portions to sound stages and also easily makes unpleasant sound and fatiguing.
It is really difficult to get the "best" amplifier sound. If the amplifier set to most natural and pleasant sound it will lost its imaging, and if it set to good imaging there will be more fatiguing, but there still some way to combine it, when ears accept the imaging and well adapted.
Yours is running class AB If its delivering 26 amps. Either that or you have O/P stage biased to 13amps
If AudioSan is running an Aleph he has made a slip in describing it as a push-pull amplifier. The Aleph series of amplifier stages are biased by constant current sources including the output.
In the latter case there is a circuit that will increase the standing current which will allow increased power to be drawn (pulled out) and delivered to lower impedances.
Nelson Pass designed these amplifiers and describes them as being single-ended and that sets them apart from push-pull Class A designs like his A40 of 1978.
I downloaded a Service Manual for the Aleph 3 several years ago. I don't know if these are available on line any more. This operates from +/- 25 volt lines and is rated for 30 watts into 8R at 0.2% distortion at 1KHZ. This increases to 60 watts into either 4R or 2R both at 1%.
I would expect the Aleph 5 circuit would be much the same. Perhaps AudioSAn can elaborate on the current capacity and distortion figures. I would not think 0.8R loads would feature in the specifications.
Michael J
Sliding bias won't make it easier to achieve classA sound, but SE-A1 will, because good sound easily achieved by classA not because of its 360dg conductivity, and many class A amps also sounded so bad and high freq fatiguing.
At the risk of giving away something about my age I remember the SE-A1 amplifier and the claims made for it offering Class A performance with Class B efficiency.
It seemed a novel approach which stirred much attention 30 odd years ago.
There was a low voltage Class A amplifier section fed by a floating power supply comprising a separate Class B amplifier. This concept turned out to be a white elephant.
If I remember correctly Technics designers failed to consider the detrimental effects of currents in the earth lines.The person who drew attention to this was John Linsley-Hood.
Michael J
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Yours is running class AB If its delivering 26 amps. Either that or you have O/P stage biased to 13amps
the PSU can deliver 26A. but yes. it would run in class A/B at this Levels🙂
i would not try this with only the 2 pairs of output doh😀
no. its not aleph. its F5.
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A big ars PSU is never wrong🙂
i have a push-pull class A. wich can deliver 26.4A peak pr ch. THAT is headroom. and with only 24V rails. it can with without problem deliver full power into 0.8ohm.
show me the standar class A/B amp that can do the same😀 a 2X25W class A/B amp that delivers 26A peak. i'd like to see that.
Your two posts confirm that your ClassAB output of 26Apk is from a ClassAB amplifier.the PSU can deliver 26A. but yes. it would run in class A/B at this Levels🙂
i would not try this with only the 2 pairs of output doh😀
no. its not aleph. its F5.
You have given us the evidence you were asking for.
A big ars PSU is never wrong🙂
i have a push-pull class A. wich can deliver 26.4A peak pr ch. THAT is headroom. and with only 24V rails. it can with without problem deliver full power into 0.8ohm.
show me the standar class A/B amp that can do the same😀 a 2X25W class A/B amp that delivers 26A peak. i'd like to see that.
Actually I won't get into that,I'll say the damping factor of a class-ab/b is awesome!!!why? because most of the peak in class-a will go into ground...😀
I remember the SE-A1 amplifier and the claims made for it offering Class A performance with Class B efficiency.
It seemed a novel approach which stirred much attention 30 odd years ago.
There was a low voltage Class A amplifier section fed by a floating power supply comprising a separate Class B amplifier. This concept turned out to be a white elephant.
If I remember correctly Technics designers failed to consider the detrimental effects of currents in the earth lines.The person who drew attention to this was John Linsley-Hood.
Michael J
Yes, that time classB amplifiers are very limited in speed, then they got problem with class b section that wasn't as good and smooth as they need. Is that correct?
The problem with the SE-A1 was more to do with Class B distortions from the floating power being impressed on the Class A section.
There is a well regarded Technics amplifier with a similar model designation which is a far better attempt at emulating Class A performance. This is the SE-A1000 which uses the Class AA system. In this an output push pull amplifier is arranged to present a very high impedance load on a voltage amplifier. This works to reduce distortion through a bridge arrangement which eases the needs for negative feedback and stability.
Michael J
There is a well regarded Technics amplifier with a similar model designation which is a far better attempt at emulating Class A performance. This is the SE-A1000 which uses the Class AA system. In this an output push pull amplifier is arranged to present a very high impedance load on a voltage amplifier. This works to reduce distortion through a bridge arrangement which eases the needs for negative feedback and stability.
Michael J
Your two posts confirm that your ClassAB output of 26Apk is from a ClassAB amplifier.
You have given us the evidence you were asking for.
still. we were talking PSU. wich standar (un-modified) class A/B amp With +/-23-25V supply out there have a PSU that can deliver 26A peak? that was the question.
if (or when) a push-pull class A goes A/B it still is a class A amp. all push-pull class A amp goes class A/B at some point.
this is by the way something you self make sure to point out when ever you can!
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Seasonal Affective Disorder?What SAD people, worrying about how much it costs to run a class A amplifier.
If you run a class A amp for a few hours every day for one decade, it costs more for energy than it costs to build the amp. And then if you run air conditioning, the energy cost is magnified even further. So it is a costly proposition, Mr. Moneybags.
Seasonal Affective Disorder?
If you run a class A amp for a few hours every day for one decade, it costs more for energy than it costs to build the amp. And then if you run air conditioning, the energy cost is magnified even further. So it is a costly proposition, Mr. Moneybags.
realy? so. i use 300W spot lights in my livingroom. for 2 years now. around 8-12hours a day. 365days a year. it have not cost me £1600 yet🙂 faaaaaar from it.
hope you Cook only ones a week. it can be to expensive🙂 you can run å class A amp for 5-8 hours for 30min on the stow.
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cheap Norwegian electricity
not that cheap😀 nothing in this country is cheap😀
i've spent around £3000 on electricity the last 2.5 years. inkl heat in the Winter, Cooking, lights and class A sound😀
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Yep! Plus much reduced need to run the regular house heating compensates...cheap Norwegian electricity
Yep! Plus much reduced need to run the regular house heating compensates...
yes. you have a reduction on that,. norway is a good ex for that😀 we have a white and a green winter😀 i have some heat on all the time. 365 days a year.
but GB have much the same climat that we have, so🙂
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I'm in Silicon Valley, California, and I blissfully leave my 15W class A amp switched on 24/7 during the 3 non-summer months, as the extra heat is not unwelcome then.
I just felt the need to point out that the long term 'hidden' energy costs of running in class A dominate over the initial build cost -- IF one does not need an extra source of heat and also has to pay twice to also get rid of it. But you knew that...
I just felt the need to point out that the long term 'hidden' energy costs of running in class A dominate over the initial build cost -- IF one does not need an extra source of heat and also has to pay twice to also get rid of it. But you knew that...
I'm in Silicon Valley, California, and I blissfully leave my 15W class A amp switched on 24/7 during the 3 non-summer months, as the extra heat is not unwelcome then.
I just felt the need to point out that the long term 'hidden' energy costs of running in class A dominate over the initial build cost -- IF one does not need an extra source of heat and also has to pay twice to also get rid of it. But you knew that...
aha. i thats not GB😀 but sure. if you use as much power to get rid of the heat, as you do on making the heat. then it will begin to cost you. but if that is the case, then a wider Experiment on aircolling at a low cost is more of an issue.
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