Hi,
I must say I'm a new learner, I don't have much practical experience with tube circuits.
I built a Unbalancer for my DAC output using 6N6P for the anode and SRPP stage.
B+ = 200V, I can vary it to max 240V
Anode follower:
Ia = 18mA
Bias ~ -2V (IIRC can't see cathode resistor)
SRPP:
Ia = ~2,4V with 150R at cathode
I'm curious if someone tried at what mode these tubes sound best? Do they at lower anode currents?
Impressions: This output stage is great, since I built it there was huge improvement in the sounds - no more fatiguing, screaming music, very loud levels permissible, great 3D picture, much detail and warmth. This is comparing to Lampizator's single 6N6P output.
I must say I'm a new learner, I don't have much practical experience with tube circuits.
I built a Unbalancer for my DAC output using 6N6P for the anode and SRPP stage.
B+ = 200V, I can vary it to max 240V
Anode follower:
Ia = 18mA
Bias ~ -2V (IIRC can't see cathode resistor)
SRPP:
Ia = ~2,4V with 150R at cathode
I'm curious if someone tried at what mode these tubes sound best? Do they at lower anode currents?
Impressions: This output stage is great, since I built it there was huge improvement in the sounds - no more fatiguing, screaming music, very loud levels permissible, great 3D picture, much detail and warmth. This is comparing to Lampizator's single 6N6P output.
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Good choice staying away from any Lampizator design.
The 6n6p seems quite happy at higher plate currents. Voltage suitable for what you want to run the tube at dissipation-wise. I usually aim for something over 20mA per triode. This is also where the plate resistance is at its lowest, which I think has great benefit in my transformer coupled designs.
I have also used the 6n6p at 6 mA per section in an LTP toplogy with good results. But this was driving EL34 outputs, not a preamp output. Best off with the higher currents imo.
The 6n6p seems quite happy at higher plate currents. Voltage suitable for what you want to run the tube at dissipation-wise. I usually aim for something over 20mA per triode. This is also where the plate resistance is at its lowest, which I think has great benefit in my transformer coupled designs.
I have also used the 6n6p at 6 mA per section in an LTP toplogy with good results. But this was driving EL34 outputs, not a preamp output. Best off with the higher currents imo.
I will try running the 6N6P at 3-4mA (anode follower) per triode and see how it sounds. A higher (10mA) current will be for the SRPP, but anyway I don't need to drive heavy loads.
I'm aiming for low currents. If I don't like the sound, I could change the tubes, right? Something like ECC82 for anode follower and for SRPP, maybe I would leave 6N6P? Some people tell me 6N series sound dim, but I'd like to see myself.
The next stage will be a tube amplifier with easy driven input driving tubes, I'm aiming to build something like Loftin white.
I'm aiming for low currents. If I don't like the sound, I could change the tubes, right? Something like ECC82 for anode follower and for SRPP, maybe I would leave 6N6P? Some people tell me 6N series sound dim, but I'd like to see myself.
The next stage will be a tube amplifier with easy driven input driving tubes, I'm aiming to build something like Loftin white.
nope ;
ears are most important , but engineering is what saves you from burned tubes ....... ignorance ..... and wasting time
starting engineering way you have basic working circuit , and from there you're using ears , not before
ears are most important , but engineering is what saves you from burned tubes ....... ignorance ..... and wasting time
starting engineering way you have basic working circuit , and from there you're using ears , not before
***It is strange! This tube was manufactured in Russia, but it is not particularly fond of. And it is very cheap.
Look at the transfer characteristics (Ug-Ia) graph in the datasheet. At 3-4mA you are operating the 6N6P in its most non-linear part... It needs at least 8-10mA to sound good!
Don't believe everything you are told, especially on audio forums! Better to start with engineering, even if you finish with ears. 'Ear engineering' often ends up with non-linearity, noise and lumpy frequency response, although some people seem to prefer this.50AE said:
I like listening to music, not taking measures and doing math. Music is a sense and emotion, not numbers and science. From a technical point of view, whenever it "distorts" or not, I don't care. Most importantly is to like the way it sounds.
I will test several modes - 2, 10 and 20 mA and report which I liked the most. 10mA will go for the SRPP.
I will test several modes - 2, 10 and 20 mA and report which I liked the most. 10mA will go for the SRPP.
I like listening to music and doing maths (although not always at the same time!). That is one reason why I do DIY audio. I don't like listening to equipment, so I don't want it to sound good or bad.
wow, i just found this thread..
OP, did you make any mod to the pcb in order to fit the 6N6P tube? because there's slight different in pin 6 pinout. in ECC99 the 6th pin is the center tapped point
OP, did you make any mod to the pcb in order to fit the 6N6P tube? because there's slight different in pin 6 pinout. in ECC99 the 6th pin is the center tapped point
another question for OP, did you use 6n6p in both input and output of the unbalancer (4 6n6p tubes), or only in one of the stage?
I like listening to music I'm not good at doing math but if I have to ask for technical advices I pick the guy with the math skill.
If I have to pick a builder to build my new house I pick the guy with the math skill and with well layout and measurement.
If you come up to me and say, I'll build your house and it'll look good and will last for ever but you can't show me a blueprint or any measurement, I'll pass.
Trust your senses is one thing but making argument with your senses is another, especially when it come to audio electronics.
Ears engineer vs real engineer, I know who I listen to for advice.
Just my 2cent.
If I have to pick a builder to build my new house I pick the guy with the math skill and with well layout and measurement.
If you come up to me and say, I'll build your house and it'll look good and will last for ever but you can't show me a blueprint or any measurement, I'll pass.
Trust your senses is one thing but making argument with your senses is another, especially when it come to audio electronics.
Ears engineer vs real engineer, I know who I listen to for advice.
Just my 2cent.
It's everyone's choice, I also do use measuring equipment, but my ears come in first. Senses are complex and are not measurable but felt. Just imagine, how would you feel if a machine told you how your coffee tastes, how a picture looks like, how good are you at sex? Would you be scoping these if possible?
Trusting your senses is hard for some people, true. For me the most important thing is that the playback takes me to another world, not how linear it looks on the scope.
Although it's a good idea to "calibrate" your ears from time to time - I do when listening to live philharmonic orchestra.
Just my 2 cents 🙂
idjoel2000 I don't use a PCB, everything is hard wired. This is the test piece. I'm making an enclosure in the same time:
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I do use both 6N6P in the input and output, but I plan trying ECC81 and other compatible valves on the input to check how they sound like. The output will be left to the 6N6P for now, I think.
Trusting your senses is hard for some people, true. For me the most important thing is that the playback takes me to another world, not how linear it looks on the scope.
Although it's a good idea to "calibrate" your ears from time to time - I do when listening to live philharmonic orchestra.
Just my 2 cents 🙂
idjoel2000 I don't use a PCB, everything is hard wired. This is the test piece. I'm making an enclosure in the same time:
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I do use both 6N6P in the input and output, but I plan trying ECC81 and other compatible valves on the input to check how they sound like. The output will be left to the 6N6P for now, I think.
If you are going to try other tubes in the input check out 6n30p. 6n30p excels at low currents:
http://klausmobile.narod.ru/testerfiles/6n30p.htm
http://klausmobile.narod.ru/testerfiles/6n30p.htm
i will try this tube, im currently using 6n6p on my yet to be finish PP kt120.
same pinout?
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