good evening,
have you tuxedocivic or someone else here heard the alpair 10.2 (+maybe compared with the alp7.3)?
am coming from the tang band w5-1611sa in an almost infinite baffle speaker. dispersion and coherence is ok (listing in a "narrow" room).
but to me the details of more complex music get muddied and some more highs would be apreciated, so the metal membrans look interessting.
problem: sibilance and "harshness"
(cone break up ) are a no go for me...thank you for your input.
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a shorter description than I was part way through typing, so here's the Reader's Digest version: we've heard both, each in several enclosure types, and while the smaller driver definitely benefits from "helper woofers", from the upper mid-bass on up, I prefer the 7 or 7.3 to the 10.2 by a wide margin (sorry Mark)
thank you for your input 
some of my music material is pretty compressed so which (alp 7.3 or 10.2) would be more forgiving?
and important: space is at a premium, so a wide and shallow cabinet is prefered. are there cabinets like that for 10.2 or 7.3?
someone here in germany suggested the fountek fr135 ex. how does that driver compere the the alpairs?
what do you prefer about the 7.3 (not 7.2 or 7?)?
some of my music material is pretty compressed
so which (alp 7.3 or 10.2) would be more forgiving?and important: space is at a premium, so a wide and shallow cabinet is prefered. are there cabinets like that for 10.2 or 7.3?
someone here in germany suggested the fountek fr135 ex. how does that driver compere the the alpairs?
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Those guys both have more experience than me with them, but I totally agree.
The first time I heard the alp 10 was shortly after I lost my full range virginity. I heard the alp 10 and about 2 tracks in I turned to Dave and said, "I don't like this as much as the EL70 and those cost less" with a confused look on my face. I thought I was missing something.
To long ago to say if I couldn't "tolerate" it.
The first time I heard the alp 10 was shortly after I lost my full range virginity. I heard the alp 10 and about 2 tracks in I turned to Dave and said, "I don't like this as much as the EL70 and those cost less" with a confused look on my face. I thought I was missing something.
To long ago to say if I couldn't "tolerate" it.
someone here in germany suggested the fountek fr135 ex. how does that driver compere the the alpairs?
This isn't right for me to do this because I've never heard that driver, but I'm a blabber mouth. The frequency response from 7 to 15 khz for that driver looks way to much like semi-controlled break up. And it's expensive.
The alp 7.3 literally made my jaw drop.
A10.2 is more laid back in the midrange, a little recessed. Also seems to have higher 2nd order distortion, giving a layer of warmth. However the low end is incredible. If you don't have/want a sub/woofer the laid back midrange is a worthwhile trade-off I think.
The 7.3 and CHR70 are flatter and more extended, therefore more forward and balanced in delivery compared to A10.2. Much more see-through, transparent.
I think the CHR70.3 is really, really terrific and great for compressed music while still giving outstanding performance. MUCH improved over 70.2.
I have just installed A7.3 and I am glad I waited until this latest version. Only a few hours and it sounds more like the 70.3 than not but much more refined with a killer 3D delivery.
I think Mark's improved flattening of the 5-12k range of the latter drivers to be a big plus.
just my .02
The 7.3 and CHR70 are flatter and more extended, therefore more forward and balanced in delivery compared to A10.2. Much more see-through, transparent.
I think the CHR70.3 is really, really terrific and great for compressed music while still giving outstanding performance. MUCH improved over 70.2.
I have just installed A7.3 and I am glad I waited until this latest version. Only a few hours and it sounds more like the 70.3 than not but much more refined with a killer 3D delivery.
I think Mark's improved flattening of the 5-12k range of the latter drivers to be a big plus.
just my .02
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ok, lots more info
thanks every one!
and now we might have another contender thanks wushuliu!
concerning the chr70.2 i read about some harshness (highs), so the chr70.3 is without those? and half of the price of the 7.3...
i want to run them full range, so no extra woofer or sub. only low to medium levels though. (bedroom set up, chill + movies on the notebook.)
thanks every one!
and now we might have another contender
thanks wushuliu! concerning the chr70.2 i read about some harshness (highs), so the chr70.3 is without those? and half of the price of the 7.3...
i want to run them full range, so no extra woofer or sub. only low to medium levels though. (bedroom set up, chill + movies on the notebook.)
some of my music material is pretty compressed
The EL70 ... or since you are in Europe the original CHP70 (blueplanet may still have some)
dave
have them sitting right here, from bpa
still in the box.on the forums here people wrote about the highs being "laid back" on the chp70 and in my w5-1611 i miss some highs.
am also hoping complex music (classical orchestra ie.) would work better with a metal membran.
have them sitting right here, from bpa
on the forums here people wrote about the highs being "laid back" on the chp70 and in my w5-1611 i miss some highs.
am also hoping complex music (classical orchestra ie.) would work better with a metal membran.
I liked the el70 a lot, but I ultimately prefer the newer metal drivers. Especially since they are 6 to 8ohm instead of 4...
these flat TB slightly toed in
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I'd say get them out of the box and try them. I do know that the guys in the UK often use an ERT26 (MA #3 tweeter) as a super-tweeter, i don't find a need with EL70eN. The EL70 doesn't have as much DDR as the A7.x/A10.2 and top is perhaps a bit softer, but that all aids when you are using lesser source material or amplifiers.
dave
PS: EL70 should be available in Europe from Henjan in NL at a minimum
dave
PS: EL70 should be available in Europe from Henjan in NL at a minimum
The only drivers Ive had experience of, of this type are the Alpair6 (oldest type), and Tangband w2-800sl and w3-1285sg (2" and 3" metal wide range drivers).
For the overall range covered the Alpair easily wins, but for the higher frequencies, either of the Tangbands surpasses the Alpair (IMHO at least). Both the TBs have a rising response of ~10dB/Oct above 10k, as opposed to the broad mid HF peak the Alpair has. Filtering of the TBs is somewhat easier, using just a single component to low pass the rising response out a little. For mid tweeter duty I would use the w3-1285sg, 'full'range I would use the Alpair.
*surpasses may be a little strong. The Alpair HF is very nice, but the mid-HF is rather wild, and IMHO needs taming. Without filtering the extra presence is too much, and becomes tiring. 'AS' is out of the box I prefer the Tangbands, but the Alpairs are also worth the effort of a more complex filter.
For the overall range covered the Alpair easily wins, but for the higher frequencies, either of the Tangbands surpasses the Alpair (IMHO at least). Both the TBs have a rising response of ~10dB/Oct above 10k, as opposed to the broad mid HF peak the Alpair has. Filtering of the TBs is somewhat easier, using just a single component to low pass the rising response out a little. For mid tweeter duty I would use the w3-1285sg, 'full'range I would use the Alpair.
*surpasses may be a little strong. The Alpair HF is very nice, but the mid-HF is rather wild, and IMHO needs taming. Without filtering the extra presence is too much, and becomes tiring. 'AS' is out of the box I prefer the Tangbands, but the Alpairs are also worth the effort of a more complex filter.
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Alpair 6 oldest type is ultimatively boring without a rearfiring supertweeter, it's good that Mark has made the Alpair 7 that has nothing to do with those first model of Alpair 6,
A7 is for my taste very good FR, among the best... but flatconed TBs are unbeatable in what they do
A7 is for my taste very good FR, among the best... but flatconed TBs are unbeatable in what they do
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EAD E60
I have EAD E60 (or new Jordan JX6) for almost month. I am using it in FAST from 300hz up. I put only condenser 100mfd, 1st order, no complaints. It is very refined, no peeks, very flat and plesent. For me it is very good mid/tweeter driver. With proper low end it makes impresive system. No tweeter needed definitly.
I have EAD E60 (or new Jordan JX6) for almost month. I am using it in FAST from 300hz up. I put only condenser 100mfd, 1st order, no complaints. It is very refined, no peeks, very flat and plesent. For me it is very good mid/tweeter driver. With proper low end it makes impresive system. No tweeter needed definitly.
This suggests you haven't heard the new Alpair6M, which while lacking the LF performance of either generation of the 7, could hardly be described as boring.
The new multiformed Alpairs, IMO, are far better then the older ones. The A6 has the least, but the 1st gen all suffered from a HF hash similar (but not as pronounced) to the JX92s. Some have no issue with this, i find it particularily objectionable. Like the CHRs treatment went a long way to taming it.
dave
Yeah, I have the Dayton 3" "full range" driver and it aggravates my tinnitus. I put foam over the front, and that helped, but it's still not great. I crossed it over at 500Hz to a subwoofer.
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