Sorry, it appears that the AES link is gone now. It was an excerpt from Floyd Tooles "Sound Reproduction" book, basically summarizing that most listeners in his testing, including trained audio engineers, preferred the sound of a more live room over a more dead room for recreational listening.
I know if you do a search for his book, it will pop up on some questionable sites for free download. Also, check Sean Olives blog for some corroborating information.
Greg
Hi StigErik,
Very impressive experience to say the least..
I am myself the proud owner of Orion speakers, have you had the chance to listen to them? If so how would you compare your findings?
Cheers,
Laurent
Very impressive experience to say the least..
I am myself the proud owner of Orion speakers, have you had the chance to listen to them? If so how would you compare your findings?
Cheers,
Laurent
Hi StigErik, very fun thread. Thanks for sharing!
I have a question for you, and any others who have looked into this: is the open backed TPL actually a true di-pole or are BOTH sides generating the same polarity for the pressure wave?
My question arises because of the motion of the pleated accordion driver: never having examined the diaphragm, I am speculating that it may generate simultaneous outward pressure on BOTH sides when the accordion pleats are being "squeezed" together, and simultaneous rarefaction when the pleats are being pulled apart.
If this is the way the AMT driver is operating, then the pressure wave in front and in back would be in phase, and the driver would then create a cylindrical/spherical omni-radially expanding wave, whereas a regular ribbon or planar would be creating a rarefaction in the back when creating a compression in the front.
Could you possibly help determine if this in fact the case? It would be a matter of looking at the impulse polarity on the front vs. the back.
If as I suspect the TPL is more of an omni-radial, the crossover summation on the back side may be radically different from that on the front.
If you or anyone else reading this has the answer to this, it would be great to have confirmation without first having to buy a TPL or Mundorf AMT, taking it apart and only then be able to get the answer!
I have a question for you, and any others who have looked into this: is the open backed TPL actually a true di-pole or are BOTH sides generating the same polarity for the pressure wave?
My question arises because of the motion of the pleated accordion driver: never having examined the diaphragm, I am speculating that it may generate simultaneous outward pressure on BOTH sides when the accordion pleats are being "squeezed" together, and simultaneous rarefaction when the pleats are being pulled apart.
If this is the way the AMT driver is operating, then the pressure wave in front and in back would be in phase, and the driver would then create a cylindrical/spherical omni-radially expanding wave, whereas a regular ribbon or planar would be creating a rarefaction in the back when creating a compression in the front.
Could you possibly help determine if this in fact the case? It would be a matter of looking at the impulse polarity on the front vs. the back.
If as I suspect the TPL is more of an omni-radial, the crossover summation on the back side may be radically different from that on the front.
If you or anyone else reading this has the answer to this, it would be great to have confirmation without first having to buy a TPL or Mundorf AMT, taking it apart and only then be able to get the answer!
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You got it wrong - AMT is basically true dipole operation - just search the web, theres lots and lots of schematics about how the pleating actually works - not the least on the manufacturers pages too
Manufacturers would love it
🙂
Best
Michael
Taking an AMT apart is not a very big problem though. With the Beyma and Mundorf, the diaphragm can very easily be pulled out, mostly to make it easy to change the diaphragm I guess. I have fried a pair of Mundorf's, but the repair was very easy - pull the old diaphragms and slide in the new ones. Takes less than a minute.
But as Michael says, AMT's are dipoles, so you can save yourself the work. I have measured the impulse response front/rear, and they are out of phase. The polar pattern is also figure-8, like expected from a dipole.
But as Michael says, AMT's are dipoles, so you can save yourself the work. I have measured the impulse response front/rear, and they are out of phase. The polar pattern is also figure-8, like expected from a dipole.
Yes stig ....you are now fully certified , congrats and welcome .....😀
Agree here , many moons with dipoles and open baffle stuff, best to diffusor front wall behind speakers ...
I agree that a diffused front wall reflection is better than a single strong reflection.
But... personally I care more for that exceptionally precise stereo image, resolution, dynamics and "blackness" you get from no front wall reflection. Yes - a little front wall reflection will sound bigger, but I dont like it. I have worked hard to get it below -30 dB, where its not audible anymore.
But... personally I care more for that exceptionally precise stereo image, resolution, dynamics and "blackness" you get from no front wall reflection. Yes - a little front wall reflection will sound bigger, but I dont like it. I have worked hard to get it below -30 dB, where its not audible anymore.
Hello Stig,
If you ever try the room in reverse, please let us know your findings ...any pics of the speaker side of the room ..
regards,
If you ever try the room in reverse, please let us know your findings ...any pics of the speaker side of the room ..
regards,
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cheers Stig,
I hoped that the various depths would be between 4 inches max to 1 inch. There is no way I could disguise that as a funky kind of wall covering, LOL.
I wonder if some of the 3s and 4s could have part of their depth hidden behind the 2s. This would make for a panel around 150mm deep. more complicated, but I might get away with it.
Brad
I hoped that the various depths would be between 4 inches max to 1 inch. There is no way I could disguise that as a funky kind of wall covering, LOL.
I wonder if some of the 3s and 4s could have part of their depth hidden behind the 2s. This would make for a panel around 150mm deep. more complicated, but I might get away with it.
Brad
You can of course reduce the total depth, but that would affect the bandwith of the diffusor at low frequencies. Of you make all coloums half of what they are in my diagram, lower cut-off will be one octave higher, or approx 1150 Hz.
Ok, here's the last update, and it might be the very last thing I do with this system.
The news are:
Hypex Ncore amps - two driving the RD-75 ribbons, and four driving the woofers - and now there's sixteen of them.... a few pics without front grilles on the woofers below.
The news are:
Hypex Ncore amps - two driving the RD-75 ribbons, and four driving the woofers - and now there's sixteen of them.... a few pics without front grilles on the woofers below.
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