Gentle reminder: this thread is about an Electronic Design article.
It would be nice if the participants would discuss that article.
Better?
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It would be nice if the participants would discuss that article.
Better?
_-_-bear
Meh... this thread went very quickly off course. Is it really worth saving? It's one of those Blowtorch, Ariel, Subjective vs Objective threads. A few gold nuggets in a car load of sand.
If you want to discuss the article, please do. I won't stop you.
Well Electronic design just published a familiar circuit to many here. A power supply add on filter. I kept meaning to mention the 2N5210 is a better match to the 2N5087 than the 2N5089, but it seems even in the 1/12/12 (US) (12/1/12 others!)Ideas for Design article they continue the same way.
Wavebourn - please contact me!! (seriously...)
Mr. Curl, I sent you a PM here please check ur PMs??
I can phone you over the weekend... 😀
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PS. the original article made some statements about hearing and audibility of things, anyone?
Mr. Curl, I sent you a PM here please check ur PMs??
I can phone you over the weekend... 😀
_-_-bear
PS. the original article made some statements about hearing and audibility of things, anyone?
Is this history correct?
SS Designers starts with knowledge that simpler is better, they will choose simplest design in SS like in tubes, may be becuse they found that triode is better than pentode and single plate 2A3 is better than 2 plates.
Then this knowledge applied to SS, the result is low linearity, low supply rejection, then found so called harmonic distortion as a suspect, after that feedback is help, and so, (btw, until now some designer still suspecting THD even if their test result is lower than 0.005%).
Then the feedback becoming another suspect when they found TIM total in mind (btw, also there sill big debate about intermodulation and feedback).
Then etc,etc,etc, 100V/uS slewrate, 100A current peak capability, 300ppb THD, 1MHz power bandwidth, 10000 DF, memory distortion, 20kHz THD, colors (sorry, tubes really has color some of old triode has very nice but ...), and many more.
They choosing this BJT sounds better than that BJT, or this triode than that triode. Without knowing why.
SS Designers starts with knowledge that simpler is better, they will choose simplest design in SS like in tubes, may be becuse they found that triode is better than pentode and single plate 2A3 is better than 2 plates.
Then this knowledge applied to SS, the result is low linearity, low supply rejection, then found so called harmonic distortion as a suspect, after that feedback is help, and so, (btw, until now some designer still suspecting THD even if their test result is lower than 0.005%).
Then the feedback becoming another suspect when they found TIM total in mind (btw, also there sill big debate about intermodulation and feedback).
Then etc,etc,etc, 100V/uS slewrate, 100A current peak capability, 300ppb THD, 1MHz power bandwidth, 10000 DF, memory distortion, 20kHz THD, colors (sorry, tubes really has color some of old triode has very nice but ...), and many more.
They choosing this BJT sounds better than that BJT, or this triode than that triode. Without knowing why.
You do know how to use PM?
Geez.
Courtesy is always a good idea, my friend.
And "full time"? Kidding I hope.
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Sorry Bear, did not mean to cause complication. IF I had your # I could call you for free. But I don't. I think that I know what you are enquiring about.
Wavebourn, be a good boy, and try not to annoy us. '-)
Wavebourn, be a good boy, and try not to annoy us. '-)
Simon, you are right about the 2n5087 and the 2n5210. The 2n5089 was just so close in number, many have made that mistake, and chose it, instead. (I didn't, however, even 44 years ago.)
Again:
Edit: Continue discuss?
No totally false. they measuring output of amplifier, not output of loudspeaker. What we hear is output loudspeaker air pressure waves not voltages.
Edit: Continue discuss?
I don't. I tried to help, but found that I have no time to help more and more... Too much to study all available options and translate datasheets, may be later when I have some spare time to do so.
The article, is don't know not so clear understanding it. PS
And from PS link: 80's style amplifier designer.
At the end. Is just like that.
And from PS link: 80's style amplifier designer.
Is he says that people like supply hum modulation, and also people like if everything sounds like electric guitars? .
Paul Shimmel (apparently in a comment in the original article??) is saying that in his opinion there is a Class D amp running at 400kHz that is "blameless" or as good as any linear amp he has heard...
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PS. Anatoliy, I know English is not your native language, so that may be why you seem confused. Let's forget about it, ok?
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PS. Anatoliy, I know English is not your native language, so that may be why you seem confused. Let's forget about it, ok?
Paul Schimel (not "Shimmel"...) wrote:.....the amplifier (class D) sounded extremely accurate with wonderful tonality......at the end of part 2.
When quoting, do it accurate to prevent "distortion".
That article is worth reading IMO.
The quote comes from here:
Transistors, Tubes Sound The Same, It?s The Circuit Topologies That Differ
Transistors, Tubes Sound The Same, It?s The Circuit Topologies That Differ
That's the same article Pano, the quote is at the end of part 2 (same link as in the first post of this thread).
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