But with #2 we don't have a viable thread!
Obviously the signal goes forward in time to reach modern cell towers.
Such obsolete technology - try this vehicle on for size and features.
"It's not an AM/FM radio, because obviously it's 1928..." So it must be Even More Recent Technology??? Yeah ... I recall something about logic and proportion falling sloppy dead.
This is a ridiculous conclusion. If she were using a phone she would be wearing a bluetooth earpiece hidden under a scarf worn over her head. The phone would be well hidden in her purse.
This is a ridiculous conclusion. If she were using a phone she would be wearing a bluetooth earpiece hidden under a scarf worn over her head. The phone would be well hidden in her purse.
Catedral of Salamanca
On the entry stone frame of the Cathedral of Salamanca in between the normal sculpted designs there is a 20th century astronaut. I have the pics on a PPS presentation, I cannot up load it but i can forward it no any one interested.
If we see that dinosaurs existed for 70 million years and we only have existed for 50 thousand years, and we only knew about dinosaurs the last 200 years, we might be in for some more surprises...
On the entry stone frame of the Cathedral of Salamanca in between the normal sculpted designs there is a 20th century astronaut. I have the pics on a PPS presentation, I cannot up load it but i can forward it no any one interested.
If we see that dinosaurs existed for 70 million years and we only have existed for 50 thousand years, and we only knew about dinosaurs the last 200 years, we might be in for some more surprises...
That was added by a stonemason with a sense of humour during the 1993 building restoration.
Hi,
My take on UFO's is in line with RAW's. To quote him, if I may.
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Dublin, 1986.
I had given a talk to the Irish Science-Fiction Society and the question period began.
"Do you believe in UFOs?" somebody asked.
"Yes, of course," I answered.
The questioner, who looked quite young, then burst into a long speech, "proving" at least to his own satisfaction that all UFOs "really are" sun-dogs or heat inversions. When he finally ran down I simply replied,
"Well, we both agree that UFOs exist. Our only difference is that you think you know what they are and I'm still puzzled."
............
For instance, to return to our starting point, whatever your idea of the "normal" UFO -- whether you consider it a spaceship, a secret US government weapon, a hoax, or a hallucination etc. -- such a general idea will render you incapable of forming a truly objective view of the next UFO that comes along.
The only way to cancel such pre-judgement lies in patapsychology (and in general semantics). You must remember the difference between the individual and unpredictible event that gets called a UFO and your past generalizations about "the UFO" or the "normal" UFO."
Otherwise you will only note how this UFO fits your Ideal UFO and will unconciously ignore how it differs therefrom. This mechanical reflex will please your ego, if you like to feel you know more than most people, but it will prove hazardous to your ability to observe and think carefully.
People who think they know all about Jews or males or UFOs never see a real Jew or male or UFO. They see the generalized norm that exists only in their own brains. We never know "all" -- we only know what I call sombunall, some-but-not-all. This applies also to dogs (the patapsychologist will not say "I love them," "I hate them," "I fear them" etc.), and to plumbers, bosses, right-wingers, left-wingers, cats, lizards, sitcoms, houses, nails, Senators, waterfalls and all other miscellaneous sets or groups.
Personally, I see two or three UFOs every week. This does not astonish me, or convince me of the spaceship theory, because I also see about 2 or 3 UNFOs every week -- Unidentified Non-Flying Objects. These remain unidentified (by me) because they go by too fast or look so weird that I never know whether to classify them as hedgehogs, hobgoblins or helicopters -- or as stars or satellites or spaceships -- or as pookahs or pizza-trucks or probability waves.
Of course, I also see things that I feel fairly safe in identifying as hedgehogs or stars or pizza trucks, but the world contains more and more events that I cannot identify fully and dogmatically with any norm or generalization. I live in a spectrum of probabilities, uncertainties and wonderments.
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I too regularly see UFO's. Usually more often than once a week. Of course, I also see many UNFO (Unidentified Non-Flying Objects). And see huge loads of IFO's and INFO's (Identifiable Flying Objects and Identifiable Non-Flying Objects)
Actually, for anyone who identified a UFO as anything (Sun Dog, Heat Inversion, Secret US Government Project, Alien Spaceship) there are NO UFO's, for they no longer remain unidentified. The majority of humans prefer a false certainty (e.g. "All UFO's have 'natural' origins" or "All UFO's have 'supra-natural' origins") to the very real and true uncertainty of "I just do not have a F.C.U.K. I.N.G.# clue".
Alister Crowley very neatly summed it up:
“It must have a natural cause!”
“It must have a supernatural cause!”
Let these two Donkeys## be set to grind corn!
Ciao T
# F.C.U.K. = French Connection UK
I.N.G. = Internationale Nederlanden Groep
## The original quote used a more colourful and robust anglo-saxon idiom, which did not agree with the on-line censor in this place.
I suspect that AC actually meant mules anyway, and not ***** but selected the more colourful idiom for it's double meaning and greater sense of ridicule. The reason I suspect he meant Mules is that either of this team of ***** is sterile, cannot reproduce and is not good for anything than the most base work.
My take on UFO's is in line with RAW's. To quote him, if I may.
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Dublin, 1986.
I had given a talk to the Irish Science-Fiction Society and the question period began.
"Do you believe in UFOs?" somebody asked.
"Yes, of course," I answered.
The questioner, who looked quite young, then burst into a long speech, "proving" at least to his own satisfaction that all UFOs "really are" sun-dogs or heat inversions. When he finally ran down I simply replied,
"Well, we both agree that UFOs exist. Our only difference is that you think you know what they are and I'm still puzzled."
............
For instance, to return to our starting point, whatever your idea of the "normal" UFO -- whether you consider it a spaceship, a secret US government weapon, a hoax, or a hallucination etc. -- such a general idea will render you incapable of forming a truly objective view of the next UFO that comes along.
The only way to cancel such pre-judgement lies in patapsychology (and in general semantics). You must remember the difference between the individual and unpredictible event that gets called a UFO and your past generalizations about "the UFO" or the "normal" UFO."
Otherwise you will only note how this UFO fits your Ideal UFO and will unconciously ignore how it differs therefrom. This mechanical reflex will please your ego, if you like to feel you know more than most people, but it will prove hazardous to your ability to observe and think carefully.
People who think they know all about Jews or males or UFOs never see a real Jew or male or UFO. They see the generalized norm that exists only in their own brains. We never know "all" -- we only know what I call sombunall, some-but-not-all. This applies also to dogs (the patapsychologist will not say "I love them," "I hate them," "I fear them" etc.), and to plumbers, bosses, right-wingers, left-wingers, cats, lizards, sitcoms, houses, nails, Senators, waterfalls and all other miscellaneous sets or groups.
Personally, I see two or three UFOs every week. This does not astonish me, or convince me of the spaceship theory, because I also see about 2 or 3 UNFOs every week -- Unidentified Non-Flying Objects. These remain unidentified (by me) because they go by too fast or look so weird that I never know whether to classify them as hedgehogs, hobgoblins or helicopters -- or as stars or satellites or spaceships -- or as pookahs or pizza-trucks or probability waves.
Of course, I also see things that I feel fairly safe in identifying as hedgehogs or stars or pizza trucks, but the world contains more and more events that I cannot identify fully and dogmatically with any norm or generalization. I live in a spectrum of probabilities, uncertainties and wonderments.
==================================
I too regularly see UFO's. Usually more often than once a week. Of course, I also see many UNFO (Unidentified Non-Flying Objects). And see huge loads of IFO's and INFO's (Identifiable Flying Objects and Identifiable Non-Flying Objects)
Actually, for anyone who identified a UFO as anything (Sun Dog, Heat Inversion, Secret US Government Project, Alien Spaceship) there are NO UFO's, for they no longer remain unidentified. The majority of humans prefer a false certainty (e.g. "All UFO's have 'natural' origins" or "All UFO's have 'supra-natural' origins") to the very real and true uncertainty of "I just do not have a F.C.U.K. I.N.G.# clue".
Alister Crowley very neatly summed it up:
“It must have a natural cause!”
“It must have a supernatural cause!”
Let these two Donkeys## be set to grind corn!
Ciao T
# F.C.U.K. = French Connection UK
I.N.G. = Internationale Nederlanden Groep
## The original quote used a more colourful and robust anglo-saxon idiom, which did not agree with the on-line censor in this place.
I suspect that AC actually meant mules anyway, and not ***** but selected the more colourful idiom for it's double meaning and greater sense of ridicule. The reason I suspect he meant Mules is that either of this team of ***** is sterile, cannot reproduce and is not good for anything than the most base work.
There is an authentic ring to the quotation given by Thorsten above.....however I do not like the inner quotation used being from A. Crowley. That he was a drug fuelled egotist is only part of my objection. That he occasionally made very accurate comment - as posted above - is maddening as, if he were what he claimed to be, then he could not have made such a comment! after all we rational people expect our icons of evil to be totally evil and visa versa. And despite his claim to be the most evil man, he was a trusted Alpine climber of very high repute in those circles. Clearly a man of many parts with potential for real thought yet who allowed his need for notoriety to win.
after all we rational people expect our icons of evil to be totally evil and visa versa. And despite his claim to be the most evil man, he was a trusted Alpine climber of very high repute in those circles. Clearly a man of many parts with potential for real thought yet who allowed his need for notoriety to win.
Hi,
Hmmm, I doubt you truly studied AC and his "system" (or even IR's Golden Dawn or any of it and you seem to go very much by appearances than by substance.
Please consider hoe the duckling will get out of the bottle.
Then consider (as we are talking timetravel here) this whole MEST Continuum (MEST = Matter Energy Space Time) as a similar bottle.
Of course I may also just be stark raving mad. Or maybe I am just stark raving sane. Anyway, is there really a difference?
Ciao T
On Waking Up
Anthony De Mello
Spirituality means waking up. Most people, even though they don't know it, are asleep. They're born asleep, they live asleep, they marry in their sleep, they breed children in their sleep, they die in their sleep without ever waking up. They never understand the loveliness and the beauty of this thing that we call human existence. You know, all mystics -Catholic, Christian, non-Christian, no matter what their theology, no matter what their religion -- are unanimous on one thing: that all is well, all is well. Though everything is a mess, all is well. Strange paradox, to be sure. But, tragically, most people never get to see that all is well because they are asleep. They are having a nightmare.
Last year on Spanish television I heard a story about this gentleman who knocks on his son's door. "Jaime," he says, "wake up!" Jaime answers, "I don't want to get up, Papa." The father shouts, "Get up, you have to go to school." Jaime says, "I don't want to go to school." "Why not?" asks the father. "Three reasons," says Jaime. "First, because it's so dull; second, the kids tease me; and third, I hate school." And the father says, "Well, I am going to give you three reasons why you must go to school. First, because it is your duty; second, because you are forty-five years old, and third, because you are the headmaster." Wake up, wake up! You've grown up. You're too big to be asleep. Wake up! Stop playing with your toys.
Most people tell you they want to get out of kindergarten, but don't believe them. Don't believe them! All they want you to do is to mend their broken toys. "Give me back my wife. Give me back my job. Give me back my money. Give me back my reputation, my success." This is what they want; they want their toys replaced. That's all. Even the best psychologist will tell you that, that people don't really want to be cured. What they want is relief; a cure is painful.
Waking up is unpleasant, you know. You are nice and comfortable in bed. It's irritating to be woken up. That's the reason the wise guru will not attempt to wake people up. I hope I'm going to be wise here and make no attempt whatsoever to wake you up if you are asleep. It is really none of my business, even though I say to you at times, "Wake up!" My business is to do my thing, to dance my dance. If you profit from it, fine; if you don't, too bad! As the Arabs say, "The nature of rain is the same, but it makes thorns grow in the marshes and flowers in the gardens."
Hmmm, I doubt you truly studied AC and his "system" (or even IR's Golden Dawn or any of it and you seem to go very much by appearances than by substance.
Please consider hoe the duckling will get out of the bottle.
Then consider (as we are talking timetravel here) this whole MEST Continuum (MEST = Matter Energy Space Time) as a similar bottle.
Of course I may also just be stark raving mad. Or maybe I am just stark raving sane. Anyway, is there really a difference?
Ciao T
On Waking Up
Anthony De Mello
Spirituality means waking up. Most people, even though they don't know it, are asleep. They're born asleep, they live asleep, they marry in their sleep, they breed children in their sleep, they die in their sleep without ever waking up. They never understand the loveliness and the beauty of this thing that we call human existence. You know, all mystics -Catholic, Christian, non-Christian, no matter what their theology, no matter what their religion -- are unanimous on one thing: that all is well, all is well. Though everything is a mess, all is well. Strange paradox, to be sure. But, tragically, most people never get to see that all is well because they are asleep. They are having a nightmare.
Last year on Spanish television I heard a story about this gentleman who knocks on his son's door. "Jaime," he says, "wake up!" Jaime answers, "I don't want to get up, Papa." The father shouts, "Get up, you have to go to school." Jaime says, "I don't want to go to school." "Why not?" asks the father. "Three reasons," says Jaime. "First, because it's so dull; second, the kids tease me; and third, I hate school." And the father says, "Well, I am going to give you three reasons why you must go to school. First, because it is your duty; second, because you are forty-five years old, and third, because you are the headmaster." Wake up, wake up! You've grown up. You're too big to be asleep. Wake up! Stop playing with your toys.
Most people tell you they want to get out of kindergarten, but don't believe them. Don't believe them! All they want you to do is to mend their broken toys. "Give me back my wife. Give me back my job. Give me back my money. Give me back my reputation, my success." This is what they want; they want their toys replaced. That's all. Even the best psychologist will tell you that, that people don't really want to be cured. What they want is relief; a cure is painful.
Waking up is unpleasant, you know. You are nice and comfortable in bed. It's irritating to be woken up. That's the reason the wise guru will not attempt to wake people up. I hope I'm going to be wise here and make no attempt whatsoever to wake you up if you are asleep. It is really none of my business, even though I say to you at times, "Wake up!" My business is to do my thing, to dance my dance. If you profit from it, fine; if you don't, too bad! As the Arabs say, "The nature of rain is the same, but it makes thorns grow in the marshes and flowers in the gardens."
That's the thing, the original definition of UFO was "unloaded" in that it was ONLY what the acronym (technically it was originally an initialism, but the word acronym has been abused into also meaning initialism[1]) means: Unidentified Flying Object.
Most who use UFO in recent decades ASSUME it means an artifact[2] of extraterrestrial origin. It's yet another slip in word usage.
The rest of the post, which I left unquoted, appears to refer so an arcane practice known as the Scientific Method.
That's a different form of time travel, moving FORWARD in time, and can be easily done using large amounts of acceleration, resulting in what is commonly but erroneously called the twin paradox.
I've actually seen an engineer become a Neanderthal when hired into a management position.
An applicable saying is that even a blind squirrel occasionally finds a nut, or more pertinent to the thread, at least in the analog domain, a broken clock is right twice a day.There is an authentic ring to the quotation given by Thorsten above.....however I do not like the inner quotation used being from A. Crowley. That he was a drug fuelled egotist is only part of my objection. That he occasionally made very accurate comment - as posted above - is maddening as, if he were what he claimed to be, then he could not have made such a comment!
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Acronym and initialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Retrieved Dec. 30 02010, 12:40PM EST
[2] Of course, now it's me abusing a word - artifact means something of HUMAN origin, yet I'm using it to mean something artificial, but originated from an extraterrestrial, non-human intelligence. Not that I believe that sort of thing.
Plausible suggestions
1. The lady in question has a friend interested in DIY Audio and its an early home made crystal radio.
2. Shes a singer practicing her lines.
3. She is agent 104 from control and she is using her fake wrist radio, Chief.
(Ah.... the Old fake wrist radio)
4. She's loaded on laudnum and thinks her wrist is her pet banana
5. She really is a time travel agent in which case we are all living in an altered timeline reality (Star Trek anyone) and I knew there was a reason I wasnt king of the world, darn.
Or maybe....... He's just a very attention hungry, very smart marketing, Irishman.
Myself I subscribe to the last, or maybe.
and the joke is on us
1. The lady in question has a friend interested in DIY Audio and its an early home made crystal radio.
2. Shes a singer practicing her lines.
3. She is agent 104 from control and she is using her fake wrist radio, Chief.
(Ah.... the Old fake wrist radio)
4. She's loaded on laudnum and thinks her wrist is her pet banana
5. She really is a time travel agent in which case we are all living in an altered timeline reality (Star Trek anyone) and I knew there was a reason I wasnt king of the world, darn.
Or maybe....... He's just a very attention hungry, very smart marketing, Irishman.
Myself I subscribe to the last, or maybe.
and the joke is on us
etc.
More than you may believe. The reality is that the whole sphere of inquiry was "of an age", starting with the social and ethical disruption brought about by the industrial revolution, wars as never before experienced, religious, social philosophical and psychological turbulence, physical change from rural living to city living et al. Out of this sprung the yearning for spiritual awakening and guidance as a relief from the stresses of life. Madame Blavatsky with her "secret Wisdom" through the GD and later OHM all began to take similar yet differing stances. What is interesting about the OGD is that it paralleled if a bit later the development of extreme High Church Anglicanism in terms of ritual. The Tubingen and other theologians climbed ever higher into the retreat of their ivory towers whilst the parish clergy were still not of the people and caught up in (in the UK) Oxford Movement etc. whilst the masses of people were left without any worthwhile spiritual guidance, Christian or otherwise. In fact it was much as it is today. The movements such as the OGD were for the (comparative) educated elite and stayed so. That order's make up was largely drawn from those of artistic backgrounds such as Yeates, Kelly, Mathers etc. Others tended toward the familiar pyramid structure which spread their influence wider, but relied to a great extent in those days upon authority, authority gained by fear.
What I did not say is that there is no reality to any of it; what I inferred was that AC was in many ways indicative of the final break down of order and expansion into a state of chaos within that whole sphere of influence, as was all of the trouble with Mathers problems with fellow Ms of the OGD. There is ample evidence that by the time he was at his most notorious his mind had ceased to be in any reliable way rational. Back in that time The OHM, for example, was a very closely guarded secret organization which may well have yielded more power than many would credit; [e.g. rather like Bavarian Masonic Orders exercising great power in the engineering industry]....now I have seen correspondence courses available to anyone who wants to "join".
At their height these orders were an expression of a real need but not of enlightenment. They rephrased questions which have been asked since the dawn of man and equally rephrased the answers which have always been given.
The only part of this wave of spiritual expansion which seems to exist without having altered very much is mediumistic spiritualism.
To get back on topic, CG Jung had some very apposite comments to make regarding UFO sightings, and also the problems facing those who seek to gain wisdom from the spiritual experiences and practices of those from other continents. [I do not greatly uphold Jung as his own life was somewhat suspect in many areas. His wife was in many ways the more concentrated essence as shown by her work on the Holy Grail. Her husband's similar work on the alchemists was far less deep, despite the study he made of the subject.] Again the problem with the analytical approach to curing the soul was that of time:availability:money. That any improvement was usually imaginary and the real, underlying problems continued to exist albeit in cleaner smarter clothes.
My final comment is that it is my belief that for the average person to walk into the arcane world without a wide knowledge of both their own full selves and a high awareness of the risks involved is pure stupidity.
T. On a lighter note, have you now moved to live in Germany again? I trust all will be good for you and yours.
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Except I did not say when I had those jobs. That aside, your explanation is reasonable only to the point where you say "easily".
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Hi
Then we agree, AC was a "sign of the times" more of a symptom, than the illness. I consider much of AC's work useful, more where he transaltes and interprets earlier works, less so in some of his original ones.
Possibly, I would add one of inappropriate tools/methodes. It is kind of often like using a #9 ball peen hammer to fix that proverbial watch that shows the right time only twice a day.
This we both agree upon. Some of the systems circulating nowadays are exceedingly dangerous, often due their tendency to take shortcuts (Modern Times?) which often epose those practicing the system to great danger...
On the other hand I would also say that for the average person to live their life without a wide knowledge of both their own full selves and a high awareness of the risks involved is pure stupidity. It has not stopped anyone, at last count...
RIght now I am mostly a traveller, still notionally in Londinium, but rarely there. So I decided to go nationalist again and to fly the flag that goes with my passport.
Otherwise life is good, thanks.
Ciao T
Then we agree, AC was a "sign of the times" more of a symptom, than the illness. I consider much of AC's work useful, more where he transaltes and interprets earlier works, less so in some of his original ones.
Possibly, I would add one of inappropriate tools/methodes. It is kind of often like using a #9 ball peen hammer to fix that proverbial watch that shows the right time only twice a day.
This we both agree upon. Some of the systems circulating nowadays are exceedingly dangerous, often due their tendency to take shortcuts (Modern Times?) which often epose those practicing the system to great danger...
On the other hand I would also say that for the average person to live their life without a wide knowledge of both their own full selves and a high awareness of the risks involved is pure stupidity. It has not stopped anyone, at last count...
RIght now I am mostly a traveller, still notionally in Londinium, but rarely there. So I decided to go nationalist again and to fly the flag that goes with my passport.
Otherwise life is good, thanks.
Ciao T
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