Why doesn't it work when you say it? 😀
And why would that be true?
Just the insulting tag line.😉It's been many years. I only remember that it wasn't a positive experience, and I don't make an effort to hold on to the details of such things.
John
That is patently false.
Maybe I just met the "wrong" audiophiles. Unlikely but potentially true.
Just the insulting tag line.😉
Sure, why not? It was clever, funny, and it fit. I think if a designer pays attention to such comments he can make improvements to his product. The theory and measurements are only the first step.
John
There isn't much I can say other than you're grossly misinformed about subjects like product bias. You can no more control subconscious thought then you could control the speed that your hair grows. Pretending that audiophiles get some special pass on product bias is akin to pretending that race car drivers can control the desire to sneeze. Some aspects of the human body are outside of anyone's control, this is why we take measures to reduce the influence of product bias on subject tests.
No, I would say you are misinformed and out of touch with the reality of the situation. Being able to overcome instincts and sub-conscience influences is what makes humans rational creatures. If you want to believe that all audiophiles behave irrationally all the time, then that's your business. Look, anyone can read studies of how the sub-conscience influences behavior. I have done so many times myself and believe it or not the bell rings from time to time. That knowledge is easily applied when making decisions on purchases. Experience can also be applied to overcoming instinct when making decisions as well. It's no big secret.
John
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There isn't much I can say other than you're grossly misinformed about subjects like product bias. You can no more control subconscious thought then you could control the speed that your hair grows. Pretending that audiophiles get some special pass on product bias is akin to pretending that race car drivers can control the desire to sneeze. Some aspects of the human body are outside of anyone's control, this is why we take measures to reduce the influence of product bias on subject tests.
Exactly and that's why it's called subconscious - not controlled by the conscious mind. Some people here obviously believe they are different.
Being able to overcome instincts and sub-conscience influences is what makes humans rational creatures.
You would be the first. Humans are both.
By the way, to which party does someone belong that makes decisions only based on subjective data instead of objective data?
Lol, how do you know you only use objective data, given the subconscious hurdles and wish fulfillment which binds us all? Is it possible you're only being told that you are by your peer group? More ice for the slope.By the way, to which party does someone belong that makes decisions only based on subjective data instead of objective data?
You've magnificently displayed once again your lack of any understanding of the issue. First off it's clear that human beings are fundamentally irrational. Claims that conflict with all observable evidence are irrational. Technically you're proving my point by even having this discourse. Secondly I'm not saying that all decisions are irrational, but that all decisions are made with the same influences which can't be isolated through "will power". A rational decision on the subject of speaker cables would by definition require some objective basis for the decision. Otherwise you're making an irrational decisions even if you happen to pick the better of the options. You can irrationally believe something that's actually true is true just as easily as you can irrationally believe something that's actually false is true. You have no objective basis for your decision making and as such you're subject to the same bias and fallacies that every human in the same position would be subject to.No, I would say you are misinformed and out of touch with the reality of the situation. Being able to overcome instincts and sub-conscience influences is what makes humans rational creatures. If you want to believe that all audiophiles behave irrationally all the time, then that's your business.
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That's the beauty of proof, anyone can verify it. You don't have to accept anything, you can if you so chose find a lab or reconstruct the test that was published.Lol, how do you know you only use objective data, given the subconscious hurdles and wish fulfillment which binds us all? Is it possible you're only being told that you are by your peer group? More ice for the slope.
By the way, to which party does someone belong that makes decisions only based on subjective data instead of objective data?
Maybe someone should just come out with the Volkslautsprecher and we can be done with it.
John
Lol, how do you know you only use objective data, given the subconscious hurdles and wish fulfillment which binds us all? Is it possible you're only being told that you are by your peer group? More ice for the slope.
At least I try to be objective. You just sound like an old grumpy man: "All is relative and therefore meaningless"
How's this sound, when you can grow hair on command get back to me. Until then you're just an average person who has no more control over the majority of their brain activity then anyone else. Trying to claim otherwise is ignorant at best.Maybe someone should just come out with the Volkslautsprecher and we can be done with it.
John
At least I try to be objective. You just sound like an old grumpy man: "All is relative and therefore meaningless"
I think you guys are missing the obvious point that experience of all evidence, subjective or objective, is via the senses. Claiming we're always little more than unwilling automatons of the subconscious has wider ramifications.
Not defensive at all. Geddo Blaster is the nickname given to the Summas by some friends of mine. I didn't make it up, but I thought it fit.
John
So the part about having heard them was a lie.
I think you guys are missing the obvious point that experience of all evidence, subjective or objective, is via the senses. Claiming we're always little more than unwilling automatons of the subconscious has wider ramifications.
It is possible to view objective evidence objectively. Subjective evidence IS all controled by the psychy.
Yes, this is address by a small amount of rational thought. You are right we are limited to interpreting evidence through our senses, every first year psych student brings this up in class like is some major revelation. The Socratic method understands that we can only extrapolate what our senses allows us to. This however doesn't mean that our sense have carte blanche over our ability to perceive the world. We can verify findings with external methods. It's funny how no matter what the subject is, when people run out of real arguments to combat facts the last thing they turn to is the 'matrix argument', that our senses could be lying to us about the very evidence that doesn't support your world view. It's a false argument, if you go down that road there isn't any limit to what can or can't be justified. If that's the case we could all be living inside someones dream or surrounded by magical faeries that frequently adjust the measurements to keep us from finding the truth. This argument can be used to justify anything, it's a non-argument.I think you guys are missing the obvious point that experience of all evidence, subjective or objective, is via the senses. Claiming we're always little more than unwilling automatons of the subconscious has wider ramifications.
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I think you guys are missing the obvious point that experience of all evidence, subjective or objective, is via the senses. Claiming we're always little more than unwilling automatons of the subconscious has wider ramifications.
Sorry, wrong forum. This is "audio" not "epistemology".
we could all be living inside someones dream or surrounded by magical faeries that frequently adjust the measurements to keep us from finding the truth.
But hey, at least you can be an audiophool and fight the matrix with cables.
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