Somehow, I have a hard time believing a Prius will get to 90+mph....no matter how far the pedal is stuck down (or more likely, the ECU is OTL)...
Bill
Bill
Beware,several F-bombs and other vulgar comments...but he speaks the truth.
YouTube - 2010 Toyota Prius brake problems. Easy fix, amazing documentary
YouTube - 2010 Toyota Prius brake problems. Easy fix, amazing documentary
I have one and it will get to 90 MPH. Didn't Al Gore's kid get pulled over a couple years back for doing 103 in his Prius?
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Throttle jammed on?..... On a prius?........ Pardon my ignorance, but.... Isn't that the same as leaving the park brake on?😛
Sorry guy's, mamma say's we ain't going nowhere!😀
Sorry guy's, mamma say's we ain't going nowhere!😀
Several F-bombs? Several dozen - but that's not my point. He's showing you a properly operating Prius. When (if?) the software misbehaves, will it let you shift to neutral or turn it off? Haven't you had a PC go so stupid you had to reach in the back and kill the main power switch because the soft switch on the front doesn't do anything? The Prius power switch is a soft switch, not the 'Main' switch - because there isn't one. The 'throttle linkage' is software. The 'gear shift' is software. Even the brakes have a software override called ABS. When it detects wheel slip, it turns off the brakes for a half secind and flashes a light on the dash which should really say 'good luck'. There is PLENTY of stuff to be suspicious about. How well is the watchdog implemented? IS there a watchdog ? - though I can't believe there isn't. Are there federal standards for this? Who wrote the regs? Lawyers? Or do we just trust manufacturers?
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More xenophobia. Pretty harsh coming from the country that gave us the Pinto, Gremlin, Corvair and various other safety icons...
Stuff some more floormats in there guys - keep your feet cosy.
Stuff some more floormats in there guys - keep your feet cosy.
AJ Hackett Bungee - over 500,000 jumps, no fatalities. That's throwing people off briges with a rubbber band tied totheir feet. The American car industry's illustrious career included cars that explode on impact from behind. While stationary.
The hype around Toyota's recalls is laughable, and outside the USA is taken as yet another example of the increasing level of American litigiousness and a failure to accept any degree of personal responsibility.
Stratus claiming a need for "suspicion" reeks of paranoia. It is the same thinking that led to the infamous Audi surge legislation that requires all drivers to be treated as inept and interlocked transmission, brake and starting systems so that idiots could be saved from themselves.
IMHO, Darwin should be left to get on with it...
The hype around Toyota's recalls is laughable, and outside the USA is taken as yet another example of the increasing level of American litigiousness and a failure to accept any degree of personal responsibility.
Stratus claiming a need for "suspicion" reeks of paranoia. It is the same thinking that led to the infamous Audi surge legislation that requires all drivers to be treated as inept and interlocked transmission, brake and starting systems so that idiots could be saved from themselves.
IMHO, Darwin should be left to get on with it...
Those are all from 35+ years ago and I don't remember anybody defending them back then. Are you saying that there have been improvements?
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That bozo on youtobze is a complete douche bag. Definition of a douche is someone you runs his mouth faster than his brain goes. The issues go much deeper than he comprehends and little research and thinking beforehand would do somebody good before running their mouth or keyboard.
And that Audi thing back then also smelled of software issues. All this stuff is 'proprietary' so we never find out what really was wrong. When the Prius ran away last week, Toyota immediately got the 'black box'. It's in TOYOTA's best interest to NOT reveal what (if anything) is wrong. I'm much more comfortable with skeptics checking things out rather than the Cool-Aid drinkers telling me that since it's a Toyota, nothing can go wrong.
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software? Puleeease. The transmission and brakes were all standard mchanical. Sure, it was fuel injected but thats hardly "software". It still had a throttle cable... The issue was the wetware.
As for skeptics - well, seems the investigation is pointing to idiot driver with brain disengaged. To quote him "I was afraid to do anything out of the normal in case it went into reverse or flipped" - it seems he has been watching too many real-life police action trash programs. No wonder he couldn't cope with his "emergency". My advice is, don't get a job in firefighting - lord knows we wouldn't want to challenge you with something out of the normal...
As for skeptics - well, seems the investigation is pointing to idiot driver with brain disengaged. To quote him "I was afraid to do anything out of the normal in case it went into reverse or flipped" - it seems he has been watching too many real-life police action trash programs. No wonder he couldn't cope with his "emergency". My advice is, don't get a job in firefighting - lord knows we wouldn't want to challenge you with something out of the normal...
Don't own one, do you? There is no clutch, there is no hydraulic torque converter, there is no throttle cable, there is no reverse gear, just 1 (yeah ONE) planetary gear set in the transmission, a 75HP gas engine that turns on and off at every stop sign, 16 kW electric motor that can run in reverse - that's how you back up - and a very elaborate computer control system to make it work. How do you 'throttle' when the gas engine isn't even running? It's 'drive by wire' meaning software running in the engine control computer. I have a Prius with 65000 miles on it and there are many things that are very well engineered and some that are just dumb. I guarantee the first time you find the computer turning OFF the brakes for a half second because a wheel slipped OR turning off the engine also because of a wheel slip, it makes the stomach flip flop. It's not so bad when you expect it but ALWAYS makes you wonder.
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"I guarantee the first time you find the computer turning OFF the brakes for a half second because a wheel slipped OR turning off the engine also because of a wheel slip, it makes the stomach flip flop. It's not so bad when you expect it but ALWAYS makes you wonder. "
None the less, the computer is doing EXACTLY what it is designed to do at exactly the time it is meant to do it. And working on making you look like a better driver than you are at the same time. You general, not you particular.
None the less, the computer is doing EXACTLY what it is designed to do at exactly the time it is meant to do it. And working on making you look like a better driver than you are at the same time. You general, not you particular.
I had a bad feeling about this "drive by wire" crap when I first read about it ~10 years ago.
The "what if's" started rolling through my head,and I was glad that I had a car with an actual solid linkage for the throttle,brakes,and steering. (not to mention it's made of steel/iron,and not ******* plastic.)
Granted,the guy in the video is a bit of a doof,but he has a point.
The "what if's" started rolling through my head,and I was glad that I had a car with an actual solid linkage for the throttle,brakes,and steering. (not to mention it's made of steel/iron,and not ******* plastic.)
Granted,the guy in the video is a bit of a doof,but he has a point.
Bumps in the road can trigger the brake response. Not much skill or lack of except maybe for the road maintenance folks.
Yes the computer IS doing exactly what it is programmed to do THEN but what about when / if it doesn't ? There is no alternate method of selecting different transmission settings. 'B' mode is engine braking for going down hills. It will switch to this by itself when it's working. There is no way for the driver to KNOW what the throttle setting actually is since there is no correlation between the accelerator pedal position and the throttle butterfly valve because it's drive by wire.
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