I am trying to find out if it is still possible to buy spare parts (like a lase unit) for the Philips VAM 1210 cd transport. Or a complete tranport unit maybe.
Does anybody have a supplier address?
What would be the expected life span of such a cd transport (in hours playing cd's). Is 10,000 hours a normal expectation?
Does anybody have a supplier address?
What would be the expected life span of such a cd transport (in hours playing cd's). Is 10,000 hours a normal expectation?
No experts to give some info
Does anybody know more about the Philips VAM1210 transport at all?
I can hardy find anything about it with Google.
It is not mentioned on this excelent page:
Philips CDM - cd mechanism list - Marantzphilips.nl
Only the Philips VAM12 and VAM1252.
According to this list:
http://www.vasiltech.nm.ru/files/cd-players/CD-Player-DAC-Transport.htm
It was used in 3 cd players (I am interrested in a second hand April Stello).
Is the VAM1210 compatible with the VAM1201 or 1202? Those are much more common.
Anyone knows this Chinese company? http://www.vcdpickup.com/
Does anybody know more about the Philips VAM1210 transport at all?
I can hardy find anything about it with Google.
It is not mentioned on this excelent page:
Philips CDM - cd mechanism list - Marantzphilips.nl
Only the Philips VAM12 and VAM1252.
According to this list:
http://www.vasiltech.nm.ru/files/cd-players/CD-Player-DAC-Transport.htm
It was used in 3 cd players (I am interrested in a second hand April Stello).
Is the VAM1210 compatible with the VAM1201 or 1202? Those are much more common.
Anyone knows this Chinese company? http://www.vcdpickup.com/
No answers 🙂
This is something I struggle to find info on. The VAM devices appeared after the infamous CDM12.1's and 4's etc.
Until you see it you can't be sure.
The CDM12.4 (and it's VAM equivalent) have an IC on the pickup... a TDA1302 RF amp
The CDM12.1 and it's VAM counterpart do not.
The "polarity" of the magnet on the platter is opposite too... it repels the disc clamp if you try and fit the wrong one.
I have no experience of the company you mention... there are a lot of stories around of poor quality Chinese pickups.
10000 hours is a lot... the motors would be suffering at that mileage. A rebuild is easy using motors off a new CDM12.1 etc and keep the platter.
This is something I struggle to find info on. The VAM devices appeared after the infamous CDM12.1's and 4's etc.
Until you see it you can't be sure.
The CDM12.4 (and it's VAM equivalent) have an IC on the pickup... a TDA1302 RF amp
The CDM12.1 and it's VAM counterpart do not.
The "polarity" of the magnet on the platter is opposite too... it repels the disc clamp if you try and fit the wrong one.
I have no experience of the company you mention... there are a lot of stories around of poor quality Chinese pickups.
10000 hours is a lot... the motors would be suffering at that mileage. A rebuild is easy using motors off a new CDM12.1 etc and keep the platter.
Thanks fro sharing this.
On several DAC/transport lists (that circulate on the internet) the VAM1210 is supposed to be used by the April Stello , the Jadis Symphonia and the Monrio (??) NAS-DAC.
I looked up some info on the Jadis
http://www.jadis-electronics.com/fiches/fiche.php?id_produit=84&lang=en
And here they say they are using a Philips L1210/65 transport.
The L1210/65 is also used by Simaudio Moon Equinox.
Daisy-laser is (was?) selling a L1210/65 and they say
So could I buy this daisy-laser L1210/65 to replace a VAM1210 in a Stello??
On several DAC/transport lists (that circulate on the internet) the VAM1210 is supposed to be used by the April Stello , the Jadis Symphonia and the Monrio (??) NAS-DAC.
I looked up some info on the Jadis
http://www.jadis-electronics.com/fiches/fiche.php?id_produit=84&lang=en
And here they say they are using a Philips L1210/65 transport.
The L1210/65 is also used by Simaudio Moon Equinox.
Daisy-laser is (was?) selling a L1210/65 and they say
L121065
So could I buy this daisy-laser L1210/65 to replace a VAM1210 in a Stello??
Pic of the Stello
Pic of the Daisy-laser L1210
Pic of the Daisy-laser L1210
An externally hosted image should be here but it was not working when we last tested it.
The loader I'm familiar with, it's the same as in my Micromega, which uses a CDM12.4
If you can identify correctly the pick up then replacing just the pickup is easy.
The pictures on Daisy Laser show what looks like the VAM equivalent for the CDM12.1 which is the pickup and (discrete component) laser power control only. This has the "black" platter which is the magnetic opposite to the light grey one on the CDM12.4 VAM1202
These are listed from spares distributers although I can't say what the original source is... are they genuine Philips etc
VAM1202 Laser Optical Head Alternative
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If you can identify correctly the pick up then replacing just the pickup is easy.
The pictures on Daisy Laser show what looks like the VAM equivalent for the CDM12.1 which is the pickup and (discrete component) laser power control only. This has the "black" platter which is the magnetic opposite to the light grey one on the CDM12.4 VAM1202
These are listed from spares distributers although I can't say what the original source is... are they genuine Philips etc
VAM1202 Laser Optical Head Alternative
Your Search Results | CPC
Okay, still a bit a gamble I understand. I have to ask the seller to open the player.
Any ideas on the life expectation of such a VAM tranport?
The one I think of buying is 4 years old, I estimate it has played 2000-2500 cd's in that time (at a no smoking location)
And is Daisy-laser not dealing with private customers? Where then do they make there money? The seem not to be that small (having offices in several countries). Where is their head quarter?
Any ideas on the life expectation of such a VAM tranport?
The one I think of buying is 4 years old, I estimate it has played 2000-2500 cd's in that time (at a no smoking location)
And is Daisy-laser not dealing with private customers? Where then do they make there money? The seem not to be that small (having offices in several countries). Where is their head quarter?
Pickups themselves tend to be reliable... most trouble is caused by dust/dirt smoke ! etc.
The sled motor will never wear out in a million years, your looking at a few 10's of rotation per CD.
Bearings on spindle motors wear, you can feel it if you try and move the platter.
The CDM12.4 had a simple device (a piece of tensioned plastic) which sounds crude but works well, and it's purpose was to apply very light pressure to the spindle forcing it to wear in one direction, but importantly stopping any looseness in the bearing. In other words the bearing wore oval but the tensioner stopped any play. The "lesser"CDM12.1 did not have this. The 12.4 was designed for CD ROM as well as audio which is why it was included... to prevent mechanical "jitter" on the data...
Don't know if the VAM has that feature.
The DC motors are easily swapped from a new doner mech, they all appear the same.
Any original grease may be sticky,and granulated after a few years but again that's so easily put right.
Edit,
I keep a very rough "tally" chart on hours use of my Micromega... currently 2144 hours on this pickup (a Japanese CDM12.4, the best quality one I have ever seen) sadly haven't seem them for a few years. I put a spot of special grease (yes grease) on the platter motor spindle when new. No detectable wear as yet 🙂 The RF output is as high as ever too, no deterioration at all.
The sled motor will never wear out in a million years, your looking at a few 10's of rotation per CD.
Bearings on spindle motors wear, you can feel it if you try and move the platter.
The CDM12.4 had a simple device (a piece of tensioned plastic) which sounds crude but works well, and it's purpose was to apply very light pressure to the spindle forcing it to wear in one direction, but importantly stopping any looseness in the bearing. In other words the bearing wore oval but the tensioner stopped any play. The "lesser"CDM12.1 did not have this. The 12.4 was designed for CD ROM as well as audio which is why it was included... to prevent mechanical "jitter" on the data...
Don't know if the VAM has that feature.
The DC motors are easily swapped from a new doner mech, they all appear the same.
Any original grease may be sticky,and granulated after a few years but again that's so easily put right.
Edit,
I keep a very rough "tally" chart on hours use of my Micromega... currently 2144 hours on this pickup (a Japanese CDM12.4, the best quality one I have ever seen) sadly haven't seem them for a few years. I put a spot of special grease (yes grease) on the platter motor spindle when new. No detectable wear as yet 🙂 The RF output is as high as ever too, no deterioration at all.
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Thanks Mooly, you have a lot of knowledge on the subject.
The reason I wanted to buy the Stello transport is that I already have the April Stello DA220 dac (a very nice dac). So it actually is also a bit for the looks. 🙂
It will be replacing a TEAC VRDS9 (which btw I also purchased as used. It has some tracking problems every 5 hours or so. Could be a dirrty lens).
If I buy the Stello, the Teac will move on to the bedroom (replacing a Technics SL-P777 maybe).
One more (maybe a bit silly) question. Are these VAM models "compatable". So if you replace a complete VAM1210 with a complete VAM1202 or VAM1201 (or whatever models are out there) and hook it up to all the PCBs in the player, will it work.
Or does every model have its own control logic, output connections, power requirements and so on?
Thanks and merry xmass to all!
The reason I wanted to buy the Stello transport is that I already have the April Stello DA220 dac (a very nice dac). So it actually is also a bit for the looks. 🙂
It will be replacing a TEAC VRDS9 (which btw I also purchased as used. It has some tracking problems every 5 hours or so. Could be a dirrty lens).
If I buy the Stello, the Teac will move on to the bedroom (replacing a Technics SL-P777 maybe).
One more (maybe a bit silly) question. Are these VAM models "compatable". So if you replace a complete VAM1210 with a complete VAM1202 or VAM1201 (or whatever models are out there) and hook it up to all the PCBs in the player, will it work.
Or does every model have its own control logic, output connections, power requirements and so on?
Thanks and merry xmass to all!
Compatability... I can't answer that without seeing them. Some derivatives use a brushless motor for example which definitely won't work as a replacement for the others.
The gears on the CDM12.1 (hard white gears) have more backlash than the soft nylon blue gears on the 12.4 and don't work in many players.... little things like that.
So I would suspect not, although they probably share the same mech/motors etc.
They are different for a reason...
The gears on the CDM12.1 (hard white gears) have more backlash than the soft nylon blue gears on the 12.4 and don't work in many players.... little things like that.
So I would suspect not, although they probably share the same mech/motors etc.
They are different for a reason...
Anyone use daisy-laser L1210/65 before?
Can share your experience?
I'm thinking of getting daisy-laser L1210/65 to replace Marantz CD63 MKII KI Cd module. Any comments?
Thanks
Can share your experience?
I'm thinking of getting daisy-laser L1210/65 to replace Marantz CD63 MKII KI Cd module. Any comments?
Thanks
The CD transport "VAM1210" is completly new for me.
I think, it is no commercial part. But perhaps it is a "quasi" custom made part.
Some manufacturers make such things to make it harder for technicans to perform a repair without a so-called "orig. Spare Part"
From the Loader L1210 I have data sheet. There is no VAM1210 inside.
Let me know the brand name and model No of your compact disc player, that uses this "1210" video-audio mechanism.
in this case this thread could be of interest:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/digi...am1254-cdm12pro-vau1254-cdm12-4-compatib.html
I recommend to replace only the laser head and not the complete VAM mechanism
Here some attachements regarded different hologram laser heads of the CDM/VAM series for the aim of compare to your own version:
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Didn't check this thread for some time now.
Tiebassuebertr (what is a name?), thanks for the links. I still think the VAM1210 is a combination of the L1210 and maybe a VAM1202 (like sold by Daisy), but not 100% sure.
Tiebassuebertr (what is a name?), thanks for the links. I still think the VAM1210 is a combination of the L1210 and maybe a VAM1202 (like sold by Daisy), but not 100% sure.
Please let me know your brand and model No where VAM1210 is inside.
The member name of me must actually be as follows: "tiefbassübertragung" - because my URL is "www_tiefbassuebertragung_de"
But since the number of points was not enough therefore, the rear part was cutted from "diyaudio".
So my name now become "tiefbassuebertr".
remarkable name and helpful by google search of old threads
Dear Duck-Twacy
You can buy a replacement transport for the VAM1210 in the Netherlands (Elst) at Xs4trade (iRepair) for 27,5 Euro. Look at Marktplaats CD players - Marantz and you will find their add.
Good luck. Peter J.
You can buy a replacement transport for the VAM1210 in the Netherlands (Elst) at Xs4trade (iRepair) for 27,5 Euro. Look at Marktplaats CD players - Marantz and you will find their add.
Good luck. Peter J.
The loader model 1210/L1210 (and also the Loader 1265/L1265) haven't to do with the model number of the there mounted mechanism and can be equipped with various mechanism, because mechnical parameters of some CDM12.xx and VAM12.xx are identical. Read the type number on the sticker on your mechanism, not on the loader.
What is to read - really VAM1210?
The model number VAM1210 is rare mentioned, e. g. by Jadis and Stello sites and there:
6moons audio reviews: Stello CDT200, DP200 and M200
Rolf Sigrist Sound Design - Sound Designers Choice - CD Player - Shenda SD100S
but I guess, this is an error through interchanging with loader 1210/L1210 or mechanism CDM12.10.
Either the CDM12.1/VAM1201-VAM1202 or the electrical not compatible CDM1210/VAM1205 (or CDM12.10/CDM12.6/VAM1206) mechanism is in use.
I guess, the good known CDM12.1/VAM1201/VAM1202 (only difference in magnet of motor pulley, and LDGU type for various max speed - VAM means video audio mechanism, i. e. for video VCDs, CDM means compact disc mechanism, only for PCM-CD's)
According Justone-Schnepel writing facts, follow models are compatible:
1) CDM12.10 = CDM12.6 = VAM1206 (screen plate present, covered the used SMD devices; RF IC TZA1022T on bord or not ? - check the attached pics)
JusTone Lasereinheiten. CDM12.6 / VAM1206 Laufwerk PHILIPS. Lasereinheit, Laserpickup, Laserunit, Pickup, Laser, Laserkopf
2) CDM1210 = VAM1205 = CDM1205 (without screen plate, RF-Amp TDA1302T on board, electrical identical to CDM12.4/CDM12-IND/VAU/VAM1252 head but not regarded the quality standart)
JusTone Lasereinheiten. CDM12.1 0 PHILIPS Laufwerk, Lasereinheit, Laserpickup, Laserunit, Pickup, Laser, Laserkopf
JusTone Lasereinheiten. CDM12.5 / VAM1205 Laufwerk PHILIPS. NAIM CD3.5 . Lasereinheit, Laserpickup, Laserunit, Pickup, Laser, Laserkopf
3) CDM12.1-VAM1201-VAM1202 (without screen plate, only APC circuit on board)
JusTone Lasereinheiten. CDM12.1 / VAM1201 / VAM1202 / VAM1223 / RAE1100 / RAE1100KIT Laufwerk PHILIPS PANASONIC TECHNICS. Lasereinheit, Laserpickup, Laserunit, Pickup, Laser, Laserkopf
If your laser head looks like that one of the last two pics, you need a new laser head of the VAM1202 mechanism.
Check out also this threads:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/digi...1254-cdm12pro-vau1254-cdm12-4-compatib-2.html (last post)
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/digital-source/62694-philips-cdm12-3-marantz-cd6000.html
forum.zelfbouwaudio.nl • Toon onderwerp - VAM 1210
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Schema VAM1252 TDA1302 aus Marantz CD7.pdf
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Schema VAM1254-01 LTOH30PA Aug.2000.pdf
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Schema VAM1254-21 GH6C005B3BA TZA1022.pdf
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C ...-CD-CDM12.1-VAM1202J schema.ckt .pdf
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