I guess you did not read what I wrote. I stated it very clearly I thought.
For my money, the attitude portrayed in post #9154 is insufferably closed minded, but the frustration shown is legitimate. Unfortunately the language used and the personal attacks are both childish and uncivilized.
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Andre:
As I've said previously, it's enough for a DBT to show that *someone* with good hearing can consistently tell two cables apart purely by listening. That's all the objecitivists want to see - *real* proof of audible differences, not endless anecdote, hearsay and self-deluded nonsense.
It's not much to ask for, if that's what they claim they can do, is it? Put up or shut up - an entirely reasonable expectation.
Of course, I maintain, arguing from established scientific fact, that such electrical differences as do exist between cables do not lead to audible differences beyond gross aberrations leading to simple level variations. As such, I'm no more interested in trying subjective listening tests or even a DBT than I am in searching for free energy or FTL transport. Some things we just know are wrong, and saying 'but experiment for yourself' is just self-delusion and a chronic waste of time.
It's not in the spirit of DIY in my opinion, either. It's sad to see snake oil being peddled in a forum that ought to be characterised by a clear empirical, hands-on ethos based on knowledge and skill. You know, actual engineering.
Hey, me too! I'm glad to read you evincing this spirit.
As I've said previously, it's enough for a DBT to show that *someone* with good hearing can consistently tell two cables apart purely by listening. That's all the objecitivists want to see - *real* proof of audible differences, not endless anecdote, hearsay and self-deluded nonsense.
It's not much to ask for, if that's what they claim they can do, is it? Put up or shut up - an entirely reasonable expectation.
Of course, I maintain, arguing from established scientific fact, that such electrical differences as do exist between cables do not lead to audible differences beyond gross aberrations leading to simple level variations. As such, I'm no more interested in trying subjective listening tests or even a DBT than I am in searching for free energy or FTL transport. Some things we just know are wrong, and saying 'but experiment for yourself' is just self-delusion and a chronic waste of time.
It's not in the spirit of DIY in my opinion, either. It's sad to see snake oil being peddled in a forum that ought to be characterised by a clear empirical, hands-on ethos based on knowledge and skill. You know, actual engineering.
Your presence around is enough of an insult. You could save some bandwidth and effort and post empty messages. Everybody knows your position, and the result would be the same.
That, of course, is for the moderators to decide.
Sure I made a serious accusation but if you *read* what I wrote I set out why I made it, which is only fair. If you're familiar with Curly's constant prevarication and trolling I think you could understand my point. I'm tired of being friendly with Curly - being respectful got me nowhere and it's not worked for anyone else trying to have a discussion with him. He's a troll and a charlatan.
I stand by what I've said. And I think it needed to be said.
Spare us the persecution complex. You're not innocent, you bring it upon yourself.
So, finally, a taste of your own medicine! Rather a rancid taste, isn't it?
Oh please curly - enough of the false modesty. You also have been lashing at all and sundry, questioning (amongst other things) their ethics, honesty, capacity to hear, think or perform, the nature of their equipment or equipment they have been exposed to while making wild and unsubstantiated claims about your own ability, technique, queues of adoring fans and the like...
Invariably, you fail to engage the argument and instead round on the poster for having the temerity to question your standing or approach.
You are in no position to now hide behind mummy's skirt and claim the mods and everyone else is against you.
While I agree that the personal invective is uncalled for, I'm with bud - you brought it on yourself.
Hi everyone, having fun? Doomlord, someone with some sort of scientific background (I presume) who owns a set of second rate speakers (just like if you or I drove a standard Chevy, and went to a sports car design website) is going to tell us what the in's and out's of hi fi is. And anyone who does not go along with him is a 'charlatan'?
Thank you for that fine assessment. When you can find fault in others, it is usually a sure sign of something that you do not like about yourself 🙂
This thread is somewhat of a lost cause. It will never end because the subjectivists and objectivists can never produce any positive data to convince each other.The moderators have discussed closing this thread repeatedly but we want to allow the discussion because it is one of the most passionately debated subjects in audio.
We have not deleted or binned anyone here because honestly, there's no one that can be singled out as the instigator or worst offender. However, if the personal attacks continue past this post I will close the thread.
The moderators have discussed closing this thread repeatedly but we want to allow the discussion because it is one of the most passionately debated subjects in audio.
We have not deleted or binned anyone here because honestly, there's no one that can be singled out as the instigator or worst offender. However, if the personal attacks continue past this post I will close the thread.
While i can understand the problems - and would not ask for sin binning action - but should such a post not be deleted?
Wishes
Speak (maybe) for yourself.
Closing this thread will do nothing, the disease will spread all over.
This thread has the same social role as Las Vegas for the average american.
Personal attacks here are legion, please consider targeting the remedy accordingly. In some cases they're the only novel thing particular posters are bringing to the table anyway. And thanks again to syn08 for providing an example.
I'm sure then that that is the reason you are so good at it. Enjoy your evening curly.
But seriously, now
I think all the blame should be placed squarely on anyone named "John". As it's such a common name, and we all can agree it's often used with invective, insincerity, and depradation in society...😀😀
Instead of going to the sin bin, send them to the john🙂
John L.
I think all the blame should be placed squarely on anyone named "John". As it's such a common name, and we all can agree it's often used with invective, insincerity, and depradation in society...😀😀
Instead of going to the sin bin, send them to the john🙂
John L.
John Curl:
So, the wealthy hifi snobs who disapprove of my choice of hifi - like it even matters - deign to presume that I'm not qualified to discuss hifi, because I'm not 'audiophile' enough? Why shouldn't chevy drivers discuss sports car design? Any reason, apart from snobbery?
And I'm not telling (dictating, I presume you mean?) the "ins and outs of hifi" - I'm discussing what's pertinent to this thread topic. It's what the thread is about.
And it's a blatantly false accusation to suggest I'm calling Curly a charlatan (and he's the ONLY person I've called a charlatan, btw, despite other people not going along with me) because hes 'not going along with me'. I've made my reasons clear for what I called him. If you disagree with them, feel free to refute them. In the meantime, spare us the deliberate mischaracterisation of what I've said and done in this thread. Oh, and cut the crap about my hifi choice undermining my credibility. It's an ad-hominem argument.
I've been into hifi as an interest for 15 years. I've learned plenty in that time, including not to trust everything I read - I used to be a cable 'believer'. Heck I even thought green markers would make a difference. I do have some knowledge of electronics but beyond that, no, I do not work in or come from a scientific background. I have a good layman's understanding of science though, enough to spot bogus voodoo when I see it, etc.
So, the wealthy hifi snobs who disapprove of my choice of hifi - like it even matters - deign to presume that I'm not qualified to discuss hifi, because I'm not 'audiophile' enough? Why shouldn't chevy drivers discuss sports car design? Any reason, apart from snobbery?
And I'm not telling (dictating, I presume you mean?) the "ins and outs of hifi" - I'm discussing what's pertinent to this thread topic. It's what the thread is about.
And it's a blatantly false accusation to suggest I'm calling Curly a charlatan (and he's the ONLY person I've called a charlatan, btw, despite other people not going along with me) because hes 'not going along with me'. I've made my reasons clear for what I called him. If you disagree with them, feel free to refute them. In the meantime, spare us the deliberate mischaracterisation of what I've said and done in this thread. Oh, and cut the crap about my hifi choice undermining my credibility. It's an ad-hominem argument.
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