You believe that to be the case. I can accept your belief.
On the other hand, I believe that this type of testing is quite likely highly biased towards a null result, or to put it another way, the testing procedure is quite likely to hide differences that might be audible under long term listening. (refer to my post on using the same procedure to tell the difference between 2 colour cards)
When I see a DBT where the testers have put in the effort to find a minimal threshold of difference, or have somehow proven that their test WAS NOT biased towards a null result, then I will take notice of a null result from that test. I will continue to consider all other null ABX results to be meaningless.
Thing is, I can see no way of doing this sort of testing easily.
ps. I believe I have heard differences in types of speaker wire, but also I am never likely to go spending silly amounts of funds on such.
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When I see a DBT where the testers have put in the effort to find a minimal threshold of difference, or have somehow proven that their test WAS NOT biased towards a null result, then I will take notice of a null result from that test. I will continue to consider all other null ABX results to be meaningless.
Thing is, I can see no way of doing this sort of testing easily.
Must be THAT time of year...again....
A bit like the dentist, just keep getting the reminder.
Ok andy, YOU work out the test procedure..whatever it is that YOU need to see done that will overcome all these problems in every past test that never showed a difference no matter how vast the reports were before the test, YOU have complete and utter control over the test.
YOU.
That way, for the first time ever in audio, we will get a proper test.
I will travel to your place and help administer the test. I will do all the work required, YOU just relax, take deep breaths and save your energy so you are completely relaxed and ready for the test. OK?
Still too much trouble as it has been all these years??> Ok, let me know and I will get a pair of speakers to you that you can keep for as long as you need to get used to them.
Whatever it takes, we WILL do the test yeah?? I am happy to work with you on this.
All this talk, and no-one has yet done a test. Shame on all of you. Put your money where your mouth is.
Unless of course this thread is populated by JAIBS's.
Let's work together on this andy.
True, it takes effort and attention to detail to do a good double blind test: matched levels, no peeking at brand names etc. So here is a much easier test. It will show what happens when people know in advance (or think they know) the cable they are listening to. But be warned, it is highly unethical and not recommended for the faint of heart.
Here goes.
Take two cables, one expensive, one cheap. Connect them as you would normally. Allow the listener to listen to each cable as much as they like. Switch the cables whenever the listener wants you to. Make sure the listener can’t see what cable you have connected. Tell the listener, in advance, which cable you are switching (“I am now switching to the Pure Silver Valhalla cable, have a listen.”). But (here’s the rub) lie about the cables. Tell the listener the opposite of which cable is actually connected. As I said, its highly unethical.
But dear tester, sit back in wonder as your listener, after careful deliberation, informs you that the more expensive cable definitely sounds better than the cheap one.
Nice test, pity for the flaws.
Seeing that it is your system, you should be the listener, there are little or no sense in using someone else for testing something on your (unknown to him) system. If you can be fooled with a cheap cable against a "Pure Silver Valhalla", put on a big smile and use the cheap cable. 😉
I didn't say that the listener was required to be listening to someone else's system and not their own.
So, yes, of course the procedure can be used where the listener is at home with their own equipment. They just need an (unethical) friend to do the switching for them and to tell fibs about which cable is being used.😉
Typical farcical **. You want to play parlour games, go ahead, I'm not interested. You PROVE absolutely nothing !!
Its this sort of childish attitude that leads absolutely nowhere.
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I did that with an "ethical" friend 4 times.Only difference was that he wasn't saying anything 😀 My score was 100% in the last test of 12 Interconnect cable swaps.And they were not "sick cables" in a "sick system" mind you. The cable differences for those who can hear them is a "case closed".One day they may learn the "scientific reasons" from you,as you will.Till then let us all enjoy music.I'm sure we all are happy with our systems.
so we on andy??
andre, where did he say we test YOU on HIS system??
Andre, comin over for the world cup?? make a tour of NZ in a camper van, should be fun.
we can meet and have a ball, and maybe get serious and do some testing. what say you?
Cmon andy, don't ignore me. How are we going to do a proper test? All these other ******* idiots have not got a clue, THAT'S why it is down to YOU and ME to finally do a proper test.
Have a listen to your cd player using your "favorite" interconnect.Then,take two other interconnect cables which will have RCA sockets on one end.On these RCA sockets,plug in your "favorite" interconnect and what's left(that is a pair of RCA plugs on one end of each of the other interconnects),connect your cd player to your amp.Will you hear the difference?Now add to these a magic box with switches,wires,extra sockets etc.......Will you hear the difference?I know the answer in both questions is yes.So,which of those things you will hear is your "favorite" interconnect?At what time of such a test does your "favorite" interconnect touches your cd player or amplifier?You want a "proper" test?Do proper connections.
This is the result of treating science as an us vs. them team event. Your 'protocol' breaks many controls of a proper test. Start with Meyer's account to the BAS of the sensitivity of IQ testing to the administrator's unspoken preconception to understand why intentional deception is more personal gratification than science.
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I just assumed it will be one's own system with somebody else listening, I wouldn't like it if somebody else just start changing cables on my system. 🙂
That would surely be nice, problem is just the many moneys.
I just assumed it will be one's own system with somebody else listening, I wouldn't like it if somebody else just start changing cables on my system. 🙂
That would surely be nice, problem is just the many moneys.
Andre,sell one of your cables...hahahahahaha
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