That's the mother of all fallacies. FDA doesn't have to do anything beyond setting the standards; the burden to test to FDAs satisfaction is on drug manufacturers.
And funny enough, those drug manufacturers are happy to comply. Why? Among others, because they can avoid massive losses in potential class actions coming from those not cured (or even worse) by not fully tested drugs.
I could only wish high end audio industry would work on a similar basis. Guess why is this not happening?
If you can see the difference between blue and red and you like red,then for you red is better.No one will argue about your choice.Well,at least not...me🙂
Name dropping isn't article referencing. I've been handed the same line for years of asking this question, and have never received a solid answer. Harmon did cable listening tests?
And to answer your challenge, for which I can only speak for myself, I'm not one of those who hear a 'thundering' change from swapping interconnects. It take a while and the logistics become untenable. That said, I don't think these amateur home trials settle anything to a valid scientific degree. Would you buy medical products on the basis of self-administered home placebo testing?
Thanks for the link. I found the whole thing disturbing. At least with speaker cables it is not life or death........well for most I hope.
No, I just write in a shorthand that presumes the opposing viewpoint doesn't latch on to argumentative trivialities. Thanks Mr. Nye but the point intended was: proven to a degree of scientific certainty sufficient to become an FDA standard. The analogy was only used because someone else raised it. And if you really believe drug testing is 100% above board and immune to manipulation, let me tell you about this awesome bridge for sale in Florida.
You'll continue to make these gaffs as long as you consider the opposing view the domain of nitwits and inferiors. Not that I mind.
A reasonable position with which I agree though it did have the result of discounting the same 'voodoo' medicines some indigenous peoples are now struggling maintain possession of from multinational drug companies. You'll probably agree the source of a proposition and its proof are often completely unrelated. 😉
/disclaimer, I normally consider aspirin unnecessarily over-medicating. Don't take this as a recommendation for toad licking and blood lettings. I think I hear cable differences but would never elevate it to scientifically proven. Conversely, the tests I recall didn't impress as good science either.
This isn't a very good analogy, is it?
You could say you have been arguing about whether very, very faint shades of pink or blue look that way when they're set against a field of intense blue, or red, or white, or puce, or....
If you're saying some shade is nicer than some other shade in a given ground, then that's not interesting, is it?
I don't have any problem whatsoever to admit that as far as the biggest scientific part of the cable differences argument is conserned,I may be a nitwit and inferior.But some superior has to admit also,that on this subject,science is in front of a dead end,and only thing scientists do so far,is to urge objectivists to set-up and conduct controlled DBT's,expecting them to fail,and through a possible failure of theirs,to prove science right.???Will such a possible failure be credited to science as proof? Of what ?
At my place, without equiptment specifically designed to reject high levels of RF interference, quite likely:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid-state/152565-tubular-blameless-4.html#post1947086
Also, have you ever draped an unshielded signal cable to a high input impedance amplifier or pre-amp over some plastic cased consumer gear with a SMPS or a transformer underneath? Bzzzz BBzzzz brrrrr bbrrr bzzt bzzt.
You can google it easily, just search for Sean Olive or Tom Nousaine. They are easily available. I do not spoon feed intelligent people, I suspect you are one that can do some research if you choose too. If you actually care you would put the time into knowing they already exist, if you do not know they exist then you honestly do not care about testing and are online jsut for the audio banter
As for your question about home pacebo testing, obviously not but I also wouldnt by highly suspect claims from companies that refuse to post data behind what many true experts in the business believe is snake oil.
In the end you only need to look at the diet pill industry to realize the similarities between that industry and the highly subjective stuff sould in the audio world. The owners of these products are those who suffer from a dilusional state of mind that forces them to constantly believe there is a difference, there is a better drug and that science is too far in the dark to convince them otherwise.
The subjectivity is in the details of which color is better actually and you are generalizing falsely about "NO one will argue" People argue constantly online about Brand X being better then Brand Y when it all is just preferences and not quality differences.
Why do you think people would fail?
The goal in any test which includes observation (senses like hearing) is to have a controlled tests that remove all other influences so that all you have left is the sound and the brain will process it without major influences giving results that are clearly superior to other tests where influences play a major role.
I guess we first need to agree that if the test is not controlled then there are major influences on our conclusions other then what we think we heard.
Do you agree?
The only goal is to open the minds of those stuck in one way.
I do the listening subjectively but I ALSO try to control the tests as much as possible. I remove the BIAS.
Others that just do the listening part, do themselves no justice in a discussion online because if its discussion that you want then you should do most you can to have a valid conclusion.
What do we actually mean, when we say "controlled tests". I understand the removal of all obscuring influences, but what are those and how are they removed and what does that "control" provide and how is it that some view the "control" as an obscuring influence? Could somebody please post a clear, though not overly detailed description?
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