I am just wondering what solder you use. If you use silver added solder, or if you just go for generic 60% tin / 40% lead or 60% lead / 40% tin.
First, you want a eutetic solder, ie. a solder where the phase transition between liquid an solid state is practically immediate. For a non-eutetic solder this takes place over a temperature interval and thus takes some time to happen. During this transition phase the joint is very sensitive to vibrations which may cause a cold joint. The ordinary 63SN/37Pb solder is eutetic with an almost immediate transition at 183 deg. C, while the 60Sn/40Pb is not eutetic, having a phase transition starting already at 190 deg C and ending at 183 deg C. There are also some lead free solders that are eutetic. Here is a table of temperatures for some alloys, although most of these seem not intended for electronics:
http://www.lucasmilhaupt.com/htmdocs/brazing_products/brazing_filler_metals/solders.html
One example of a lead free eutetic alloy for electronics with a reasonably low melting temperature is 96.5Sn/3.8Ag/0.7Cu which melts at 217 deg C.
http://www.lucasmilhaupt.com/htmdocs/brazing_products/brazing_filler_metals/solders.html
One example of a lead free eutetic alloy for electronics with a reasonably low melting temperature is 96.5Sn/3.8Ag/0.7Cu which melts at 217 deg C.
Thanks Christer fo the wealth of information. I will look for Eutetic solder. I believe that Wonder solder is Eutetic. I may look into that. Or try to find something else that is Eutetic but a little bit cheaper than the Wonder Solder. Thanks a lot.
-Jeff
-Jeff
Hi excetara2,
Cardas eutectic sounds good but was a little difficult for me to use. Wonder solder is eutectic and a lot easier to use, sounds good and also smells good 😀 (though the best smell is from Welborne labs' solder)
... an addiction to die for...
Regards
M
Cardas eutectic sounds good but was a little difficult for me to use. Wonder solder is eutectic and a lot easier to use, sounds good and also smells good 😀 (though the best smell is from Welborne labs' solder)

Regards
M
Christer said:The ordinary 63SN/37Pb solder is eutetic with an almost immediate transition at 183 deg. C, while the 60Sn/40Pb is not eutetic, having a phase transition starting already at 190 deg C and ending at 183 deg C.
All correct (says me with a degree in metallurgy) but the 60%Tin 40% Lead mix isn't too bad for electronics, it's the 60% Lead 40% Tin alloy that should never be used. That has a very wide "mud" range, it's made for plumbing where a joint between two lead pipes (or lead pipe to copper) can be wiped to a neat shape while still a liquid + solid sludge. A near-forgotten art.
Apart from that, the multicore version contains an aggressive flux not suitable for electronics.
Eutectic 63/37 for tinned or copper wires, 4% Ag-bearing solder for silver wire or silver terminal strips (e.g., Tek). I've tried to lay in a lifetime supply before the EU bureaucratic nonsense destroys what's left of diy electronics as a hobby.
Silver solder all the way ...
any commercially available silver alloy solder ... is better than the best lead based stuff.

any commercially available silver alloy solder ... is better than the best lead based stuff.

I prefer Sn60Pb40 solder from Stannol, better than the "noname" Sn96Ag4 stuff I have. Those lead based solder are very easy to work with.
For delicate work, I use WBT silver solder. It has a 4% fine silver content! An added absolute benefit is that it smell's way greater than other solder subject's🙂
Steen😎
Steen😎
Lead/tin, with 2% silver. Stocked up with Tek 4% silver.
Edit: Years ago I had a reel of Radiospares solder that was perfumed with lilac. In retrospect, it was probably dangerous because it encouraged you to sniff it.
Edit: Years ago I had a reel of Radiospares solder that was perfumed with lilac. In retrospect, it was probably dangerous because it encouraged you to sniff it.
EC8010 said:Years ago I had a reel of Radiospares solder that was perfumed with lilac.
Truman Capote Signature Edition?
I'm sorry, the concept of you buying perfumed solder is shudder-inducing.
Funny you guys getting off-track on perfumed solders... As it happens, I've just developed a new men's cologne called "Stealth". It smells just like B.O. so people don't know you're wearing it.
Guys, 60-40 sucks! Please step up to SN63. It isn't much more expensive and you get EVERY ADVANTAGE, (except improved sound quality) with it. Look it up, read up on solders!
john curl said:Guys, 60-40 sucks! Please step up to SN63. It isn't much more expensive and you get EVERY ADVANTAGE, (except improved sound quality) with it. Look it up, read up on solders!
Okay... been there done that Rather than "leaving the proof as an exercise for the reader/student"...
Why not tell (or point) us mere mortals to info about eutectic vs non-eutectic alloys, the ability to quickly and thoroughly "wet" the joint... the more efficient utilization of flux, less "cold joint" problems...etc.
For example:
http://www.logwell.com/tech/servtips/solder.html
lets try for exchange of ideas...as opposed to the "not suffer fools" syndrome of the apparently almighty..
auplater
Geeze! ... I reversed the Sn & Pb in my post... dumb****!
1) 63/37 flows better... and because it flows better, it is easier to know that you have made a good wetted joint.
2) If you are working with low-leakage/high-voltage circuitry, you may be working with water-based flux for easy flux removal. You may do this for environmental reasons as well. These fluxes are not as aggressive or as penetrating as rosin type fluxes; the enhanced solder flow assists the dispersion of flux... particularly in through-hole soldering and gives better wetting on the back side of a joint.
60/40's stronghold is in craftwork, stained-glass work etc... This is where to want solder to "hang" where you put it and stay there.
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1) 63/37 flows better... and because it flows better, it is easier to know that you have made a good wetted joint.
2) If you are working with low-leakage/high-voltage circuitry, you may be working with water-based flux for easy flux removal. You may do this for environmental reasons as well. These fluxes are not as aggressive or as penetrating as rosin type fluxes; the enhanced solder flow assists the dispersion of flux... particularly in through-hole soldering and gives better wetting on the back side of a joint.
60/40's stronghold is in craftwork, stained-glass work etc... This is where to want solder to "hang" where you put it and stay there.
😉
bluesmoke said:Taiyo Electric "goot" 60/40 Made in Japan
Taiyo 'goot' 60 Sn 37.5 Pb 2.5 Ag. Love the stuff. Must be a Canadian thing.
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