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Old 29th December 2002, 03:57 PM   #1
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Default My experience with a Capacitance Multiplier

I have built the Zen V2 and was trying to eliminate a hum.

I tried hand winding a choke, and then I used a EI transformer as a choke with the primaries hooked up to a smaller choke. This was very successful until I tried accommodating it in the case of my amp and the interaction between the choke and the main transformer severally reduced the effectiveness of the setup.

When planning the amp in the first place I had intended to use a capacitance multiplier ala Elliot Sounds project, but in the end I decided chokes were the way to go. When I failed to successfully implement a choke I returned to the capacitance multiplier. As it turns out the regulator described in the Zen V3 is a capacitance multiplier when implemented without the reference Zeners. I had some old MJ2955 transistors lying about so I decided to use these. The two channels are drawing off a single supply and each channel is biased at about 2.6Amps, so peak currents through the multiplier should be at about 7Amps. I started out trying it with just one transistor but it got very hot. I then tried it with two paralleled and they barely get warm. I used a single driver transistor for the pair of them and made no special arrangement to match the main transistors (not even the resistors suggested in the article). They sit on their own heat sink and the base of the driver is referenced to a 4700uF capacitor.

I tried the Multiplier in two different configuration, firstly with a bank of 44,000uF caps before it, and followed by a 10,000uF cap. This produced a very harsh thin sound. I then tried it with the 10,000uF followed by the Multiplier and then the 44,000uF bank. This produced a much fuller sound.
The reason for the difference is given in the article. The Multiplier has a variable impedance at different frequencies with a higher impedance at lower frequencies. This is the opposite of the characteristic of a choke which tends to produce a rich warm sound. The impedance of the second bank works in parallel with the multiplier so the bigger the capacitance the lower the overall impedance at low frequencies. I am almost certain that better transistors will vastly improve this situation.

The hum is still there to a much reduced extent, but I am certain this is a characteristic of grounding arrangement of the first smoothing cap. This is now very difficult to remedy without completely rebuilding the power supply, so I will have to live with it.

My conclusion are;

This is a very satisfactory way of smoothing out hum. Certainly it is cheaper than a comparable choke.

If you intend to do it (which I highly recommend) plan for it from the very start and pay particular attention to the fundamentals of grounding as described in the Elliot sound article.

Invest in some decent transistors with ultra low on resistance, the result is likely to be much more satisfactory and will greatly reduce the cost in capacitors.

There is little problem with heat dissipation so the circuit is easy to accommodate next to valuable capacitors (this is unlikely to be the case with a choke if run at high ampage).

The other great advantage of multiplier is that it doesn't draw down the line voltage in the way that a choke will and so you get more output wattage for your money and less heat.


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Old 29th December 2002, 06:00 PM   #2
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Yes, I like Cap multiply.
It is more flexible, and often cheaper solution.

I have also read the Elliot article long ago.
He has learned so many people, so many things,
that he should have our Swedish NobelPrize

Or our "Polar Music Prize"
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Old 30th December 2002, 05:10 PM   #3
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The Capacitance Multiplier had made the Zen behave more like a solid state amp as oposed to the choke filter which made it behave more like a Valve Amp.

This has meant that I have spent today retuning my DIY speakers to bring up the bass a little.

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Old 30th December 2002, 05:20 PM   #4
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I like the cap multiplier concept too. I was wondering whether to put the 'big' caps before or after the multiplier - after gives a soft start, so I'll probably do it that way. I'm glad to hear you like the sound better that way too.
I plan to use it with a JLH amp I'll be building soon.
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Old 29th January 2003, 05:21 PM   #5
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Default i have just been messing about with my capacitance multiplier.

I have some new observations to pass on.
In Rob Elliots original article he sujests putting a resistor between the main reference cap and ground, this does help to reduce hum a little, but at the cost of sucking out the bottom end.
Splitting the reference capacitance in order to create a second order filter had very little effect on the hum but again sucked out the bottom end.
The resister which feeds the supply voltage to the base of the driver transistor and reference capacitor has a major effect on the sound of the amp. The lower the values the poorer the bass, the higher the values the bigger the bass. I found a value of 1.5K to be satifactory, though I never went any higher.
For the life of me i dont understand the mechanism at work hear so maybe someone would like to explain.

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Old 29th January 2003, 05:55 PM   #6
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I built a cap-x psu for my amp but modified the capacitance values (10000uf input, 1000uf for the "fake" cap and 4700uf output). Next to a normal passsive psu i notice MUCH less hum yet no loss of definition or bass. I always felt that the supplied capacitance values were a bit optimistic (they work, but they're less than optimal). I'm more than thankful to Rod Elliot for this great idea!
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Old 29th January 2003, 06:58 PM   #7
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Default maybe the Zen Amp is very critical of PSU

Maybe its the zen amp which makes the whole arrangement very parts critical. I am using a 4,700uf cap as the reference value, preceded by 10,000uf and followed by 44,000uf .

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Old 29th January 2003, 06:59 PM   #8
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This is my modified one.
The resistor of each emitter are to balance the current run thru each C3519/A1386 BJT.
LM317/337 is good for regulation on C3421/A1358
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Default So your using a Voltage regulator

So your using a voltage regulator chip to create your reference voltage. I used a choke in exactly the same position, but the effect was marginal and so i took it out. I added the multiplier as an afterthought. Its built on a heatsink that float directly above the main torodial so i put down all of the residual hum to dodgy wiring and none ideal location.
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This is my modified one.
The resistor of each emitter are to balance the current run thru each C3519/A1386 BJT.
LM317/337 is good for regulation on C3421/A1358
Coffin,

I noticed you replaced the cap with a voltage regulator. This of course makes it no longer a cap multiplier but a DC emitter follower. Any special reason for this? How did it influence the sound?

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