C37 ingredient guessing

[pop11]

no willing to start another C37 debate again, I just wanna to know what will be you best educated guess for the ingredient of C37.

Thanks.

 

[SY]

Why guess? If someone will send me a sample, I'll be happy to analyze it and tell all.

 

[pop11]

Cool! You work in a lab or something?

I do 2 small bottles (diff temp), how much do you need to do the job?

 

[SY]

Chemist with some years of formulation experience in inks and coatings.

A few milliliters will do.

 

[Greg B]

My totally unsubstantiated and very WAG is that it's some sort of traditional spirit varnish with hide glue mixed in - somehow. It shouldn't be hard to figure out the solvent just from the smell.

Chemical analysis would give a more useful answer....

GB

 

[SY]

FWIW, it's my guess, too. Plain old ordinary varnish; I don't even think I'll find any hide glue or PVA or the like. But an analysis will tell.

 

[Orgonom]

parfume industy knows that chemisty isn´t all you have to know
for a good rip up!
Andreas

 

[Bose(o)]

What is C37? Some type of stain or something?

 

[Pjotr]

What is C37? Some type of stain or something?

It is some audiophiles varnish that improves the sound of anything (according to the maker). Have a look here:

http://www.ennemoser.com/

http://www.ennemoser.com/c37theoryii.html

B.t.w. SY, Don’t wonder if there is some extra shellac added too.

Cheers

 

[dhaen]

Why guess? If someone will send me a sample, I'll be happy to analyze it and tell all.

Ah but is it ethical to "publish" the formula without permission? Is that not the same as publishing the schematic of some current production equipment?

 

[SY]

I have no ethical problem with it at all, assuming the buyer has not signed a nonanalysis or other secrecy agreement. I would have some severe ethical qualms about throwing around the sort of cow chips that the C37 maker does, but that's just me.

 

[Holger Barske]

Ah but is it ethical to "publish" the formula without permission?

Where is the difference from the "One way to make expensive speaker cables!"-Thread? An expensive product is demasked. If there is science and effort behind it, nobody will have to fear cheap copies.

 

[dhaen]

OK. So supposing I developed a way of doing a job, or making a thing at a tenth of the cost to everybody else. Should I only charge a tenth the money? No, I'll charge 50% in the knowledge that my cleverness needs rewarding and gain some market.
Then somebody (SY ) comes along and publishes my formula, and everybody undercuts me.
Is that fair or ethical?

Of course I'm a snake oil skeptic, and playing devils advocate, but do you agree?

 

[OliverD]

That's what we call market. Nobody claimed it is fair.

He charges 1.600 € per litre and we want to know why. What's wrong with that?

 

[dhaen]

Market..

Maybe we should publish some of Micro$oft's code to see why they charge so much..

 

[Pjotr]

Re: Market..

Maybe we should publish some of Micro$oft's code to see why they charge so much.. [/B]

He, he,

If that source is available nobody will understand it, at least not why it does what it does

Cheers

 

[SY]

OK. So supposing I developed a way of doing a job, or making a thing at a tenth of the cost to everybody else. Should I only charge a tenth the money? No, I'll charge 50% in the knowledge that my cleverness needs rewarding and gain some market.
Then somebody (SY ) comes along and publishes my formula, and everybody undercuts me.
Is that fair or ethical?

Of course I'm a snake oil skeptic, and playing devils advocate, but do you agree?

Fair? Yes. We all know the rules. People analyze product all the time. They figure out ways of undercutting their competitors all the time. That's the free market, and that's why you've got a box that has more computing power than the biggest computers of 20 years ago sitting under your desk and costing you about $500.

Ethical? That's mighty subjective. To me, yes. If a product is freely available, no reason that people shouldn't figure out what's in it by legitimate means (e.g., analysis, not things like stealing the formula from someone's desk).

 

[Pjotr]

Hmm SY,

Don’t know. You were in the ink business wasn’t it. Well I am in the business that develops industrial printers for coding the variable codes on the stuff you buy in a supermarket. A difficult ink is one that prints on non-porous surfaces like glass an metal and is also environmental friendly. There is one manufacturer that makes a good ink for that. Of course we have analysed that ink and we know exactly how to copy it. But if we do, for sure we can expect an army of lawyers at our front door.

Cheers

 

[SY]

You can tell the lawyers to sit on a writ unless you're infringing a patent.

 

[Pjotr]

You can tell the lawyers to sit on a writ unless you're infringing a patent.

Maybe in a aggressive competitive area like the US but not in Europe. Patent or not. Maybe we will win but this business is a small world (even worldwide) where everybody knows each other.