EnABL - Listening impressions & techniques

Cal Weldon · 18th March 2008, 11:30 PM

This thread is a continuation of the EnABL Processes thread here:
EnABL Processes

This thread is for listening impressions and questions concerning applications. This is not to contain the technical side of things. Those posts will be deleted. The thread for that is here:

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showt...32#post1460032

moray james · 18th March 2008, 11:41 PM

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Cal Weldon · 18th March 2008, 11:45 PM

To get the ball rolling I would like to witness the following test:

8 drivers. 4 EnABLed, 4 not, 4 boxes.

First listen to all four of the untreated in an AB test to confirm there is little or no difference among them, hopefully.

Then swap out 2 of the 4 and replace them with 2 of the EnABLed and do a comparison.

Finally all 4 EnABLed to listen side by side again. I think that would give me the greatest satisfaction in making my decision and offering comments. At this point all I have is an AB test with one set of drivers with planet10 treatment and one set with planet10 treatment and EnaABLed so my opinion cannot be considered very accurate at this point but my impression is that EnABLing the driver seems to remove the "cloud". It seems to sound less like a speaker that the non-treated driver.

My 10 cents.

BudP · 18th March 2008, 11:45 PM

Cal

Will I be able to post the nuts and bolts of application here? Will others also be able to post their application pics and instructions too?I

think it is intrinsic to allowing folks to be able to post on their qualitative experiences.

Bud

Cal Weldon · 18th March 2008, 11:49 PM

Yes Bud. The wording of the title may not be the best but we can work on that once we get some impressions. I think it's fair to allow for those who have done the work to comment on the hows and whys of the treatment but as you know we are trying to avoid the conflictual nature of the previous thread. I believe it's also fair for those wishing to know about the treatment again to receive that here. I hope that all concerned, including you will respect that and not take this into the technical side.

Cal Weldon · 19th March 2008, 12:07 AM

Last post removed.

If anyone is not interested in this thread then email me. Do not post those sort of comments here.

BudP · 19th March 2008, 12:15 AM

Cal,

Can we bring posts on treatment and listening from the original thread and post them here? And would it make more sense to also bring forward quantitative posts to that new thread? I will be happy to help do so, and really, most of John k, soongsc, Jon Ver Halen and many of dlr's posts would be useful there.

I will be happy to provide post numbers for both if it can be done.

Bud

soongsc · 19th March 2008, 12:51 AM

The title "listening impressions" seem a bit limited, but I guess application techniques are also here.

BudP · 19th March 2008, 01:32 AM

Cal,

Quote:

To get the ball rolling I would like to witness the following test:

8 drivers. 4 EnABLed, 4 not, 4 boxes.

First listen to all four of the untreated in an AB test to confirm there is little or no difference among them, hopefully.

Then swap out 2 of the 4 and replace them with 2 of the EnABLed and do a comparison.

RAW will have six Fostex 3 inch sort of full range drivers for quantitative tests shortly. Maybe, after the three levels of treatment envisioned are applied, one being a plain pair, you can get Al to set up something you and other west coast folks can attend.

I have auditioned a pair here and they will do very nicely. Not at all hard to listen to untreated, but with a healthy dose of confusing signal when pushed by complexity or dynamics. An extremely lucky find, provided by Al, because he is not interested in furthering someone else's, or his own business, by performing the tests.

Bud

Carlp · 19th March 2008, 02:04 AM

Can I post a list of potentially useful posts from the previous thread that Bud had posted to help a budding EnABLer? It was from post #2336 of the original thread, found here:

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showt...90#post1428990

EDIT - I tried to quote Bud's post but the links didn't work so I've removed them. If you click the link above it will take you to Bud's post where the links are live.

I hope this helps set the stage for people who want to try this and lead to further listening impressions.

Carl

18th March 2008, 11:30 PM	#1
Cal Weldon Speakerholic diyAudio Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: British Columbia	EnABL - Listening impressions & techniques This thread is a continuation of the EnABL Processes thread here: EnABL Processes This thread is for listening impressions and questions concerning applications. This is not to contain the technical side of things. Those posts will be deleted. The thread for that is here: http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showt...32#post1460032 __________________ Next stop: Margaritaville Some of Cal's stuff \| Cal Weldon Consulting

18th March 2008, 11:45 PM	#3
Cal Weldon Speakerholic diyAudio Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: British Columbia	To get the ball rolling I would like to witness the following test: 8 drivers. 4 EnABLed, 4 not, 4 boxes. First listen to all four of the untreated in an AB test to confirm there is little or no difference among them, hopefully. Then swap out 2 of the 4 and replace them with 2 of the EnABLed and do a comparison. Finally all 4 EnABLed to listen side by side again. I think that would give me the greatest satisfaction in making my decision and offering comments. At this point all I have is an AB test with one set of drivers with planet10 treatment and one set with planet10 treatment and EnaABLed so my opinion cannot be considered very accurate at this point but my impression is that EnABLing the driver seems to remove the "cloud". It seems to sound less like a speaker that the non-treated driver. My 10 cents. __________________ Next stop: Margaritaville Some of Cal's stuff \| Cal Weldon Consulting

18th March 2008, 11:49 PM	#5
Cal Weldon Speakerholic diyAudio Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: British Columbia	Yes Bud. The wording of the title may not be the best but we can work on that once we get some impressions. I think it's fair to allow for those who have done the work to comment on the hows and whys of the treatment but as you know we are trying to avoid the conflictual nature of the previous thread. I believe it's also fair for those wishing to know about the treatment again to receive that here. I hope that all concerned, including you will respect that and not take this into the technical side. __________________ Next stop: Margaritaville Some of Cal's stuff \| Cal Weldon Consulting

19th March 2008, 12:07 AM	#6
Cal Weldon Speakerholic diyAudio Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: British Columbia	Last post removed. If anyone is not interested in this thread then email me. Do not post those sort of comments here. __________________ Next stop: Margaritaville Some of Cal's stuff \| Cal Weldon Consulting

19th March 2008, 12:51 AM	#8
soongsc diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Taiwan	The title "listening impressions" seem a bit limited, but I guess application techniques are also here. __________________ Hear the real thing!


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18th March 2008, 11:41 PM	#2
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18th March 2008, 11:45 PM	#4
BudP diyAudio Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: upper left crust, united snakes	Cal Will I be able to post the nuts and bolts of application here? Will others also be able to post their application pics and instructions too?I think it is intrinsic to allowing folks to be able to post on their qualitative experiences. Bud

19th March 2008, 12:15 AM	#7
BudP diyAudio Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: upper left crust, united snakes	Cal, Can we bring posts on treatment and listening from the original thread and post them here? And would it make more sense to also bring forward quantitative posts to that new thread? I will be happy to help do so, and really, most of John k, soongsc, Jon Ver Halen and many of dlr's posts would be useful there. I will be happy to provide post numbers for both if it can be done. Bud

19th March 2008, 02:04 AM	#10
Carlp diyAudio Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: A New England	Can I post a list of potentially useful posts from the previous thread that Bud had posted to help a budding EnABLer? It was from post #2336 of the original thread, found here: http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showt...90#post1428990 EDIT - I tried to quote Bud's post but the links didn't work so I've removed them. If you click the link above it will take you to Bud's post where the links are live. I hope this helps set the stage for people who want to try this and lead to further listening impressions. Carl

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