My very own thread, lol.
Thanks a lot, now I am obliged to extract the digit and do as I said I would.
Dan.
KEF LS50 looks like they should be boring. They are not and they are cheap. I find nearly all box speakers show that they have a box. The best way I can say it is like I have something cupping my ears at best. LS50 almost seems as good as a box speaker gets. I don't like plastic cones. KEF even have thoese. I heard the prototype UniQ KEF years ago, they have come a long way. First good one was Q10 that was nearly there.
I recently built a new concept 1950's baffle speaker. They could be forgiven everything as there was no box sound. 4 x 2 feet each and loads of EQ.
I recently built a new concept 1950's baffle speaker. They could be forgiven everything as there was no box sound. 4 x 2 feet each and loads of EQ.
Hello Nigel.
Somebody on this forum said put a large area shallow flare around the likes of Kef dual concentric drivers....this was the basis of his stage floor monitors, reputed to be good.
I have a pair of Kefs with dual concentric drivers, I would like to try the experiment.
I used to have a pair of Grundig speakers that were in the form factor of a shirt box, only 3 times the area.
Inside were a pair of very nice rubber surround 5"' and pair of nice dome tweeters, very heavily damped internally with sheep wool.
This flat thin form factor meant that they could stand unsupported on a floor/shelf or flush mounted to a wall.
Those little speakers rocked big time.
Kef DC drivers in a largish area low profile correctly damped enclosure with shallow horn mounted to a wall or melded into the corners ought to be good fun.
Done right can approach soffit mounting.
Dan.
Hi, all i can say is that for ME Acoustat are cheap and very very reliable, my last pair of 1+1s was bought for $600.00 Canadian and after all mods they cost me $3K Canadian, the steel frame alone cost $1K, these speakers where compared with speakers that cost more than 10K and came out the winner not bad for 30 years old speakers ( 1984 )
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mracoustat/
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Acoustat DIY 1+1s electrostatic speakers
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Pretty much every time I've auditioned B&W speakers, the harsh treble has given me a headache. In fact, this has happened with most "high end" brands being demoed at audio boutiques.
After I listened to Revel Salon Ultimas I was intrigued and researched them. That is when I learned about Harman's testing labs and methods - aimed at finding the best sounding speakers, not speakers which just quickly catch listener's attention with a brief listening at the store, impressing them with "extra detail" not heard in other speakers. I need to point out something regarding my listening to the RSUs: I went into the room with a bias against metal tweeters, I EXPECTED not to like them, that they would have a harsh "metallic" top. I am one to explain the evils of listener bias to the point of beating a dead horse, but I guess sometimes sound can overcome bias because I threw on a track that I knew would hurt my ears and make me cry if the treble was really harsh: "Never Going Back Again" by Fleetwood Mac off the CD "Rumours" which was one of twenty or so CDs I brought for auditioning.
Well, the metallic plucking strings were bright and crystal clear, and the speakers were loud enough to feel the energy buzzing in the air - but no harshness, just a desire to hear more.
Pretty much every time I've auditioned B&W speakers, the harsh treble has given me a headache. In fact, this has happened with most "high end" brands being demoed at audio boutiques.
After I listened to Revel Salon Ultimas I was intrigued and researched them. That is when I learned about Harman's testing labs and methods - aimed at finding the best sounding speakers, not speakers which just quickly catch listener's attention with a brief listening at the store, impressing them with "extra detail" not heard in other speakers. I need to point out something regarding my listening to the RSUs: I went into the room with a bias against metal tweeters, I EXPECTED not to like them, that they would have a harsh "metallic" top. I am one to explain the evils of listener bias to the point of beating a dead horse, but I guess sometimes sound can overcome bias because I threw on a track that I knew would hurt my ears and make me cry if the treble was really harsh: "Never Going Back Again" by Fleetwood Mac off the CD "Rumours" which was one of twenty or so CDs I brought for auditioning.
Well, the metallic plucking strings were bright and crystal clear, and the speakers were loud enough to feel the energy buzzing in the air - but no harshness, just a desire to hear more.
Yes they are great speakers my friend Gerry's system.
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yes yes yes, from the low efficientty family with metalic cone & dome there are The Boston Acoustic Lynnfield serie, 300l, 400L, 500L...
My 400L are like that, soft but clear crystal with a good midbass & even better with a notch around 4K hz maid with the help of Phil John himself with a gentle mail and the great help of Diyaudio fellows as well (thread here somewhere)
With a Chord SPM 1000 B...
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But the mid-bass and bass with great dynamic of the high efficienty , a next step one next day (Synergie or dedicated mid-bass... DIY this time)
My 400L are like that, soft but clear crystal with a good midbass & even better with a notch around 4K hz maid with the help of Phil John himself with a gentle mail and the great help of Diyaudio fellows as well (thread here somewhere)
With a Chord SPM 1000 B...
... But the mid-bass and bass with great dynamic of the high efficienty
, a next step one next day (Synergie or dedicated mid-bass... DIY this time)
A good example of how the speakers are almost irrelevant to the end result - at the recent Sydney audio show they has a room with the best and brightest of the current Kef concentrics - and it was classic "get me out of this room fast!" sound. All the usual irky, irritating hifi unpleasantries were present - midfi at best ...
Very few people can get it ... "It's the System, Stupid!" ...
yeah indeed. Amps can really make or break a speaker ime.
but those kefs are ultimately limited, no matter the electronics behind.
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Jealousy probably - you have some really nice speakers there, better than anything I've got by the look of it.
Yes, this video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-JfHjn9LC4, has been a benchmark for me for a while, for what sound playback should come across like.
Edit: Though, don't try with a laptop ... this is unbelievably bad on a supposedly decent Dell that I happen to be using at the moment ...
Edit: Though, don't try with a laptop ... this is unbelievably bad on a supposedly decent Dell that I happen to be using at the moment ...
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Could you perhaps, compare and contrast your listening experience between those speakers, and some other pair of speakers which you are also familiar with?
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