Apparently they do. Never seen a silver Tango or Tamura. Perhaps a more pertinent question: do people still use silicon steel lams in tube output transformers?
A better analogy would be seeing someone buy a McLaren from the showroom, having it delivered to their home where they only drive it around their grounds, slowly and you try to tell them it's just a Ford with a McLaren badge stuck on.. but they just insist you know nothing about McLarens because you've never had one.
well anybody used this cables? i bet if you use this cables youll hear something that you have never heard with normal cables! the ultimate fidility cables!
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That's one way to cure a sausage!
OK this analogy has completely confused me. You'll need to explain the whole Ford thing.
sorry for opening such a can of worms I have learned some quite interesting insight from all of you with your experiences -did not mean to cause any trouble
Don't be sorry, they cant help themselves.
Art is always surpassed by Nature, so fails in any attempt to improve on it.Galu said:
Science seeks to understand and expand, while art seeks to confine to whatever is currently popular.
Ha! Ha! Sooner or later the standard insults come rolling out from the True Believers:ticknpop said:
1. you are too poor
2. you are too deaf
3. you system isn't good enough
Physics says that silver wire sounds the same as copper. That is how we know. If this physics was wrong than an awful lot of modern technology would not work, because it relies on circuit theory being right.
All sensible people do.Extreme_Boky said:
Some of these sounds are probably the result of RF interference, which gets into poor (i.e. expensve) equipment via poor (i.e. expensive or DIY) cables. Any decent measurement would start by getting rid of the RF. The effects of low level RF interference are not heard and recognised as such, but as extra 'sparkle' or 'detail'.Evenharmonics said:
I have news for you. A few years back Hitachi of all companies did just that (albeit with polythene tube).
Fortunately they didn't put it into production. Give it time. Sea water will be next. That from the Dead Sea will no doubt allow the music to float with less effort than others...
Get yourself an MRI scanner, strip out the superconducting cabling and use that.
You will have to make accommodations for the liquid nitrogen cooling systems though.
Could it be that silver cabling often really does sound bright? Usually it has a less cross-sectional area than copper cables for reasons of cost, this in return means that the resistance is a lot higher. May be this eats bass so that silver cables sound bright but not because they add 'sparkle' but because they reduce bass. Just thinking aloud here...
You will have to make accommodations for the liquid nitrogen cooling systems though.
Could it be that silver cabling often really does sound bright? Usually it has a less cross-sectional area than copper cables for reasons of cost, this in return means that the resistance is a lot higher. May be this eats bass so that silver cables sound bright but not because they add 'sparkle' but because they reduce bass. Just thinking aloud here...
The main effect of higher resistance in an interconnect cable would be a very minor reduction in treble, as the cable resistance formed an RC low pass filter with the input capacitance of the load. However, this would be swamped by the output impedance of the source so it is extremely unlikely that this effect would be heard. There could also be a very minor rise in distortion if the load has nonlinear input impedance. You need really bad equipment to be able to hear difference in cables!Charles Darwin said:
An interconnect is a trivial potential divider, with low resistance series element and high resistance shunt element. You would need quite significant conductance errors for any noticeable effect to occur; such errors would be expected to cause real problems in other areas of technology, but they have not been seen.jfetter said:
That's what I thought, my mind was just free-wheeling for a bit.
Personally I've never heard a difference between cables.
It may be useful to point out that the bulk of the energy transmitted by a cable is not carried by the moving electrons, but by the electromagnetic fields which surround the conductors.
The mean electron velocity in a cable is in the order of just 0.075 millimeteres/second while the signal propagates at a substantial proportion of the speed of light (300,000,000 metres per second).
Cables lose some of the transmitted energy as heat. The two main factors responsible for energy dissipation are the resistivity of the conductor and the dielectric loss in the insulator.
The resistivity values of silver and copper are respectively 16.3 and 16.9 units (nano ohm metres). This is not a huge difference considering that the resistivity values for gold and aluminium are 22.0 and 26.6 respectively.
The type of dielectric may have a greater influence on cable losses than whether the conductor is silver or copper. For example, PTFE has one fifth of the loss tangent of PVC.
To make meaningful comparisons between silver and copper interconnects, all other influencing factors such as cable geometry, dielectric material and characteristic impedance would have to be kept exactly the same.
Without proper scientific control of variables, a sweeping statement like "silver sounds better than copper" is meaningless.
The mean electron velocity in a cable is in the order of just 0.075 millimeteres/second while the signal propagates at a substantial proportion of the speed of light (300,000,000 metres per second).
Cables lose some of the transmitted energy as heat. The two main factors responsible for energy dissipation are the resistivity of the conductor and the dielectric loss in the insulator.
The resistivity values of silver and copper are respectively 16.3 and 16.9 units (nano ohm metres). This is not a huge difference considering that the resistivity values for gold and aluminium are 22.0 and 26.6 respectively.
The type of dielectric may have a greater influence on cable losses than whether the conductor is silver or copper. For example, PTFE has one fifth of the loss tangent of PVC.
To make meaningful comparisons between silver and copper interconnects, all other influencing factors such as cable geometry, dielectric material and characteristic impedance would have to be kept exactly the same.
Without proper scientific control of variables, a sweeping statement like "silver sounds better than copper" is meaningless.
Your only telling 1/2 the story, first put numbers on the dielectric losses (they are tiny) and consider the R/L/C/G circuit. The cable/speaker system can and it has been easily shown to display simple frequency response anomalies due to basic circuit issues. In extreme cases the cable+speaker as a load can make the amplifier oscillate, sometimes only at certain levels. IME parties making the most extreme claims stay as far away from instrumentation and measurement as possible.
This is also worthy of discussion.
By R/L/C/G circuit you are referring to a real world, short length of interconnect cable.
In this case we can forget about transmission theory and analyse the 'lumped' section of cable as a filter placed between the source and the destination.
This filtering action can explain such observations as the increase or loss of high frequencies upon changing an interconnect.
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