Indeed.
I noticed prices of good Philips/Marantz transports are rising so don't expect an answer from me
I realise I am cutting myself in the fingers. Do what you have to do to discover yourself what good transports are. I did so and I don't regret it ( meanwhile looking at a pile of cdplayers ).
CD931 isn't.
I noticed prices of good Philips/Marantz transports are rising so don't expect an answer from me
I realise I am cutting myself in the fingers. Do what you have to do to discover yourself what good transports are. I did so and I don't regret it ( meanwhile looking at a pile of cdplayers ).
CD931 isn't.
Sure, have a look at:
http://members.xoom.virgilio.it/hi_fi/
(this is for the CD-960, but will also partly apply for the DAC-960)
Fedde
http://members.xoom.virgilio.it/hi_fi/
(this is for the CD-960, but will also partly apply for the DAC-960)
Fedde
Refer to this link for the internals of many CD players, including the Philips 931/951
http://eddie.dyec.com.tw/diy-demo/audio-diy/cd_dvd_modify/philipscd951/philipscd951.htm
Do note that the proprietor modifies stock CD players and the pictures include modifications already.
On the Phlips 900 series, there was a range of CD players
First generation (Made in Belgium)
Philips CD 930
Philips CD 950
Second Genertaion (Made in Singapore)
Philips CDC 915 (5 disc carousel changer)
Philips CD 931
Philips CDC 935 (5 disc carousel changer)
Philips CD 951
There's also a CD 920. I"m not sure about the 940. I've never seen one before.
http://eddie.dyec.com.tw/diy-demo/audio-diy/cd_dvd_modify/philipscd951/philipscd951.htm
Do note that the proprietor modifies stock CD players and the pictures include modifications already.
On the Phlips 900 series, there was a range of CD players
First generation (Made in Belgium)
Philips CD 930
Philips CD 950
Second Genertaion (Made in Singapore)
Philips CDC 915 (5 disc carousel changer)
Philips CD 931
Philips CDC 935 (5 disc carousel changer)
Philips CD 951
There's also a CD 920. I"m not sure about the 940. I've never seen one before.
jean-paul said:
Dear Jean-paul,
Please advise about which transports are good. I've started collecting players based on the Philips swingarm mechanisms. Besides the swingarms, are there good transports from other brands?
How is the Pioneer Stable Platter and Sony KSS series of lens?
Thanks for your help.
Bricolo said:
I doubt that the CD 940 is 3 years old. The Philips Belgium factory, from which almost all of the famous CD players and their Marantz counterparts emerged, turned to DVD player production in 98/99.
I just saw a CD 920 today. The chassis is slimline with a CDM 12.1 or 12.4 transport. Like all the CDC 915, CDC 935 with the CDM 12, the CD 920 is made in Singapore.
By the way, I have both the CD 950 and the CD 935.
Re: Choice of CDP
Have to concur when it comes to Pioneer players. After auditioning the Pionner PD 904, I was astounded by how bad it sounded. Moreover, some of the non-elite series of Pioneer pkayers like the PD 904/801 only have optical digital output.
With the exception of Sony fixed lens players, sony lens seem to be incompatible with CDRs. On the other hand, my NAD C502 sounds simply fantastic and I'm tempted to attibute that to the KSS 210A.
Are we left with Phiilips swingarm transports? Finding CDM 4/9 Pro is a nightmare...........................
Elso Kwak said:
Hi Prometheus,
Forget about Pioneer. I crime to adjust.
Even Philips CD650 does sound better than Sony CDPX0-33ES or CDPA-30ESwith KSS laser. I don't know if this is due to the laser or the chipset used, or both. Anyway my love with Sony is over and out!
Have to concur when it comes to Pioneer players. After auditioning the Pionner PD 904, I was astounded by how bad it sounded. Moreover, some of the non-elite series of Pioneer pkayers like the PD 904/801 only have optical digital output.
With the exception of Sony fixed lens players, sony lens seem to be incompatible with CDRs. On the other hand, my NAD C502 sounds simply fantastic and I'm tempted to attibute that to the KSS 210A.
Are we left with Phiilips swingarm transports? Finding CDM 4/9 Pro is a nightmare...........................
I used to think Pioneer drives having a low jitter. There was an article in Stereophile about mesuring jitter and Pioneer 06 was actually very good. And Wadia uses or used a drive from 505 in it's cheapest palyer - but you know the Wadia prices.
The article also pointed out that for best possible sound jitter spectres of the drive and DAC must fit.
What say u, Elso?
The article also pointed out that for best possible sound jitter spectres of the drive and DAC must fit.
What say u, Elso?
PDS-901 wasn't bad but Teac VRDS are better. I have a Sony CDP-X3000ES which I can't complain about although I prefer CDM1/4/9's.
Edit: I mean that they were used as a transport. PDS-901 and VRDS sound far from good when using their internal DAC's.
A nice solution would be to have a VRDS with a TDA1541 ...
Edit: I mean that they were used as a transport. PDS-901 and VRDS sound far from good when using their internal DAC's.
A nice solution would be to have a VRDS with a TDA1541 ...
I am new to this forum (entered last week) but I do know "a bit" about playability mainly on Philips CD players.
Maybe I am a bit old fashioned but regarding the question of Prometheus I would stick to CDM0 or CDM1. After the development of these drives there was the urgent need for cheaper drives. CDM2, CDM4 etc. It was extremely difficult to get the performance on the same level. Some "quality" CDM's were developped lateron as the market required a better CDM. This mostly was a metal top/mounting plate. (Perceived quality!)
The production cost of a CDM0 or CDM1 was very high. Reducing cost considerably and maintaining a very high quality is not a light task.
When REVOX, who supplied CD-players to CD factories for quality control found out that the CDM1 production had stopped they went almost mad
So if you can stick to CDM0 or CDM1!
Ward
Maybe I am a bit old fashioned but regarding the question of Prometheus I would stick to CDM0 or CDM1. After the development of these drives there was the urgent need for cheaper drives. CDM2, CDM4 etc. It was extremely difficult to get the performance on the same level. Some "quality" CDM's were developped lateron as the market required a better CDM. This mostly was a metal top/mounting plate. (Perceived quality!)
The production cost of a CDM0 or CDM1 was very high. Reducing cost considerably and maintaining a very high quality is not a light task.
When REVOX, who supplied CD-players to CD factories for quality control found out that the CDM1 production had stopped they went almost mad
So if you can stick to CDM0 or CDM1!
Ward
EDUM said:I am new to this forum (entered last week) but I do know "a bit" about playability mainly on Philips CD players.
Maybe I am a bit old fashioned but regarding the question of Prometheus I would stick to CDM0 or CDM1. After the development of these drives there was the urgent need for cheaper drives. CDM2, CDM4 etc. It was extremely difficult to get the performance on the same level. Some "quality" CDM's were developped lateron as the market required a better CDM. This mostly was a metal top/mounting plate. (Perceived quality!)
The production cost of a CDM0 or CDM1 was very high. Reducing cost considerably and maintaining a very high quality is not a light task.
When REVOX, who supplied CD-players to CD factories for quality control found out that the CDM1 production had stopped they went almost mad
So if you can stick to CDM0 or CDM1!
And do You know what transport the CD-960 used?
Ward
fedde said:The CDM1. I have a CD-960
(though it begins to have problems, I wonder how long I can use it...) replacement parts are highly welcome!!!
Fedde
ps. Please quote more careful
Hi,
I have the same player just a little modified,but it sounds very good.WhaT`s the problem of yours?
I remember my had problems reading some cd`s then i bought
a lens cleaner and now it`s like good old days.
If it want work anymore please contact me so i can have some spareparts from it.
Reg,
ManUtd.
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