Why would I do that? Every signal and power connection is in place and there's nothing at the amp output. Question was, why would I need a 1000 quid power conditioner on this mid-fi system?
Mine works better when the computer talking to it is battery powered. AC power shows a 16K ish frequency spike albeit at a low level when the computer is AC mains powered.
So yes when you are doing low level testing eliminating potential causes of noise for virtually no cost is desirable.
It just might show you something interesting.
Now if you could borrow a power conditioner you could see if that would make a perceptible difference. But failing that you could try the experiment with two transformers on a gizmo such as a CD player.
Every so often something that comes with a loony explanation actually works. (Hint the explanation may be completely wrong and it illustrates something else.)
Dear arm chair critic and intimidator supreme;
Dont build or try a line conditioner and listen for yourself. Your choise.
Other's can do the same. It is their choise, also, to see if it matters in thier environment.
Even those beer drinking deplorables.
THx-RNMarsh
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I certainly will try it but I also won't put any faith in listening unless I'm convinced I have no idea what I'm listening to.
You put no filter whatsoever on your so called metadata, total relativism every input has equal weight.
Ah, high school summer job... You should have said that up front.
That certainly puts my 25 years of superconducting magnet design, building, and measuring to shame.
What was I thinking???
Jn
We push ppm levels of magfield stuff...I guess we should look for high school kids for advice..
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Actually, I find Scott's position to be quite accurate.
I also see merit in what you've been saying.
Me personally, I would like data, graphs, schematics, that kinda stuff.
I face this issue in work quite heavily, the trade off between handing everything to the up and comings vs getting them to figure it out themselves...I don't know which is the correct path, so. waffle between..
Jn
Do I sense sarcasm, shame on you.
Who, me???
Jn
Ps. I had to point out the humor of a high school summer job experience being used to "teach" someone who has done it for 25 years at a ridiculously high level of accuracy.
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Unfortunately, the correct path may be only knowable in hindsight. How much risk are you willing to take?
Scott's average typical deplorable beer drinking citizen does not know to have thier kid with headphones playing thier X-Box on the floor next to him, student on the computer and lights on the dimmer and microwave oven cooking, mobile phone on charger, TV etc etc in the home and some even in same room to be turned off when listening to music..... Not likely they would do that. Nor should we want them to change thier life style for better sound quality.
Note: what do you think just those items in the music system all plugged into that wall outlet by a 1 dollar power strip with multiple outlets does? All those noise generators bussed on the same strip? Guess? A wideband noise distribution strip to everything. The likely-hood of HF/RFI intrusion is increased significantly.
My hind sight comes from the data AND from consumer feedback from selling thousands and thousands of such units … the --7000 being the top of the line model.
Try it. What do you have to loose? twenty dollars? Against a more accurate reproduction -- even potentially. Come on - be radical, live dangerously. Splurge. Get out of your comfort zone.
THx-RNMarsh
Note: what do you think just those items in the music system all plugged into that wall outlet by a 1 dollar power strip with multiple outlets does? All those noise generators bussed on the same strip? Guess? A wideband noise distribution strip to everything. The likely-hood of HF/RFI intrusion is increased significantly.
My hind sight comes from the data AND from consumer feedback from selling thousands and thousands of such units … the --7000 being the top of the line model.
Try it. What do you have to loose? twenty dollars? Against a more accurate reproduction -- even potentially. Come on - be radical, live dangerously. Splurge. Get out of your comfort zone.
THx-RNMarsh
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Integrating one into a mixed signal wafer tester was no fun. We had it it
floating, including an insulated network/GPIB converter IIRC.
Gerhard
I gauge it on the risk of failure and my confidence in the person.
Some of my techs I trust without question. I can give them tasks where failure will cost 14 plus million dollars, and tell them to let me know what they did after the fact so I can sign off.
Others, they require hand holding at this time. Eventually, they will rise to the level I wish.
But always a judgement call.
Jn
Please cool it, I was referring to a typical Saturday night casual audiophile listening session. The deplorable must be in your mind not mine, in fact I find your insinuations extremely offensive. We visited one of JC's distributors years ago for an afternoon of listening and he needed a six pack to get in the mood, well we all had fun .
Someone spends $1300 to improve their system and goes home and confirms yes there was an improvement, excellent objective data.
Oh sure - that is what you meant. Of course, I should have known. uh huh.
Meanwhile, each can see how effective it is with thier system and their environment. T&M and listening.
Go for it, Scott! What do you have to loose but 20 bucks. Do it Your way by all means. We are cheering for you.
<3 THx-RNMarsh
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