I have found that companies run by engineers to be dysfuctional. Theres no harm in having sales and marketing people or bussiness men running a bussiness. But deep down I have an issue with marketing people
Hello SY.
Sorry if I comments came across as a bit rude in my initial response.
The problem with a PhD, at least the way that I see it, is the stigma that is attached to it spawned by the countless numbers of candidates that undertake this study for nothing more than personal fulfillment. (That’s not to say that this is a bad thing)
I call them the professional students.
Furthermore, they usually have no intention of applying this high level of education back into the corporate world, or some other socially acceptable practices. E.g. research, teaching etc.
There are however just as many PhD candidates, which genuinely strive to use their knowledge to improve our commerce, quality of life, social awareness etc etc.
The level of remuneration they receive, expect or willing to accept for doing their part depends on the individual.
Unfortunately we are tempted to “tar all with the same brush”
I am not at my PhD level yet, but do hope to get there. My reasons are more financial, as I am acutely aware of the financial doors that it can open for me, in my line of work.
Cheers,
George.
I have found the opposite during my working life as they tended to be more aware of the core business and tended to have a more long term outlook. Of course it doesn't apply everywhere but only from my experiences in engineering over 25 years.
I've watched so many engineering companies take a dive when the CEO or equivalent with an engineering background was replaced by others with very different backgrounds. I don't know what it's like in other countries but we have hoards of professional managers that seem to be getting into the upper management positions only for their own gains and not for the benefit of the company. These only stay for a short period as they are always looking to a better offer. The only problem is the mess they leave behind that effects so many livelihoods (not mine BTW).
Not a problem. And I sincerely wish you the best of luck in pursuit of your doctorate. It is not an easy process.
But... IME, there is precious little correlation between attainment of a PhD and remuneration. And certainly, unless one goes the academic route, job stability is no better (and in many cases worse) than engineers without terminal degrees. And FAR less than a fireman. In fact, when cost-cutting hits a company, the guys with "Dr" in front of their name are often the first to go- there's a perception (and backed with some reality) that they're less practical and useful to short-term corporate goals.
I know many PhDs who would LOVE to have the money, prestige, time off, benefits, and job stability of a fireman- had I known thirty years ago what I know now, I might have changed my career path.
That was a bit of a joke on my part, a play on the obscene word bot here not recognizing your use of the acronym BS
Plastics my boy, plastics
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preferably then working for Gullible-Men Sucs... you can propose all sorts of mathematical constructs (think 'quants') to take advantage of arbitrage at others expense and enrich yourself beyond your wildest dreams..
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heck, you might even get appointed to a guv'mnt post or something...
Here is the answer you've been waiting for...
E-C-O-N-O-M-I-C-S
preferably then working for Gullible-Men Sucs... you can propose all sorts of mathematical constructs (think 'quants') to take advantage of arbitrage at others expense and enrich yourself beyond your wildest dreams..
AND, you can write authoritative irrelevant explanations for high profile news organizations explaining what everyone already knows in a manner no one can understand...
heck, you might even get appointed to a guv'mnt post or something...
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Nearly as lucrative as a fireman with the added benefit of practically zero risk is home inspector. Get in good with (bribe) a few real estate agents / mortgage brokers so that they will recommend you and you are set.
The ones I've met don't actually know anything at all and what's more they are not responsible for anything they didn't see on the "inspection". It's easy: show up, pretend to look around, act concerned about one or two things, fill out the "report", charge the customer and leave. On to the next.
Easy money, lotsa time off, no culpability.
The ones I've met don't actually know anything at all and what's more they are not responsible for anything they didn't see on the "inspection". It's easy: show up, pretend to look around, act concerned about one or two things, fill out the "report", charge the customer and leave. On to the next.
Easy money, lotsa time off, no culpability.
Inside rumour says that one needs to be well equipped - but not with a degree/Phd. - to make it in that sector.
More seriously though, qualifications are worth little in the real world; at best they may make the difference between getting an interview and being totally ignored. I know many Phd achievers who try and cover up the fact that they have such a qualification. As one says all a Phd is is a person who knows a fair amount about a very small facet of not very much. What it does prove is that one had the capacity at one time to research something and write that research up in presentable form; but nothing else - unless the aim is to make a life in the research field.
Good luck,
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Here is the answer you've been waiting for...
E-C-O-N-O-M-I-C-S
preferably then working for Gullible-Men Sucs... you can propose all sorts of mathematical constructs (think 'quants') to take advantage of arbitrage at others expense and enrich yourself beyond your wildest dreams..
AND, you can write authoritative irrelevant explanations for high profile news organizations explaining what everyone already knows in a manner no one can understand...
heck, you might even get appointed to a guv'mnt post or something...
somehow i don't think Goldman Sachs will hire me. it's way too competitive over there. i should have went to an Ivy League school for that.
and specifically what kind of a degree are we talking about here ?
The one i met was a home inspector for the municipal housing authority.
He was at the yacht club premises all day on 3 weekdays of 5, plus weekends, even built his own 40ft steel hull sailing boat.
Took me years to discover he was Not early retired, and that his shiny vehicle was a company car.
(almost as sore tooth amusing as my former neighbor and sergeant-major cook at an airforce base, who managed to drive a brandnew $100K DAF diesel engine of the base, ended up in a motoryacht instead of a tug for hauling fighter jets out of the hangar)
i originally went for job satisfaction when i went with EE. i just wanted to be an engineer - i didn't really think about money in those days. in my family back in USSR money was considered a sin. my parents basically wanted me to get a PHD just like they did so i could be a college professor or something just like my grandfather etc.
at some point i realized i didn't want to be a professor because teaching was looked down upon in USA. also some people i knew have died in their early 20s while working towards their PHDs. this convinced me to prioritize enjoying life todayover some benefits in the future. based on this i ruled out medical profession and upon getting my Bachelor's i bailed out. i was also burnt out at that point and never wanted to see the inside of a school again.
then i actually got to the work place, was handed a 1000 page National Electrical Code and informed that i basically need to memorize all of it. all of a sudden i realized Engineering wasn't all fun. also by that time i started to realize that i will be looked down upon by doctors and lawyers simply because i am engineer, even though that's what i always wanted to be. i also realized that the cost of living in New York simply cannot be supported on the income of an Engineer.
also after some incidents while partying such as getting my skull fractured i decided i was done with "fun" and it was time to get serious.
so to make long story short dollars and status are my new priorities.
patent lawyer ?
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Mick Jagger studied economics... and look where he is...
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Often employed by government agencies or private think tanks, these economic specialists compare current data to historic trends. They try to relate current events to larger, predictable cycles. Therefore, macroeconomists can reliably forecast the effects of large scale unemployment, economic growth, inflation, productivity, and investments."
or perhaps this:
"Financial Economist
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here you go:
Mick Jagger studied economics... and look where he is...
"Macroeconomist
Often employed by government agencies or private think tanks, these economic specialists compare current data to historic trends. They try to relate current events to larger, predictable cycles. Therefore, macroeconomists can reliably forecast the effects of large scale unemployment, economic growth, inflation, productivity, and investments."
or perhaps this:
"Financial Economist
The banking and investment sectors rely on these specialists to understand the effects of fluctuating interest rates on their businesses. By analyzing complex statistics, financial economists can help mortgage lenders and credit card companies time special offers to coincide with expected interest rate shifts. They can also help financial corporations maximize their returns on investments like bonds and trusts by developing complex plans to generate more interest and dividends."
Economics Major | What Can You Do With a College Degree in Economics?
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lawyers command about as much respect as used car salesmen and realtors ... I wouldn't go THAT route.
perhaps you can get an advanced degree in environmental sciences and law... ride the "anthropomorphic global warming" wave to fame and fortune...
lawyers command about as much respect as used car salesmen and realtors ... I wouldn't go THAT route.
perhaps you can get an advanced degree in environmental sciences and law... ride the "anthropomorphic global warming" wave to fame and fortune...
A PhD will not change that.
True story: some years ago, I was dating a physician. For whatever reason, she was sensitive about me not having an MD. At parties, she'd introduce me as "Doctor Y." When one of her colleagues asked what my specialty was, I responded, "Molecular physics of quasi 1-D materials." He sniffed, "Oh, so you're not a real doctor." I responded, "No, I'm not. I had to do something original for my title."
That relationship did not last long.
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